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Disney Infinity: Good Idea, Bad Idea

Alice in Wonderland and The Aristocats

by Becky Hollada and Kimberly Keller - November 28, 2013, 2:28 pm EST

Down the rabbit hole winding up in Paris.

Alice in Wonderland (Good Idea) – by Becky Hollada

“You mean this isn’t a full Play Set?” That’s right. Go and double check the Disney Infinity character list to make sure I’m telling the truth. There’s a few power discs from Wonderland, but that’s it.So back in 1865, Lewis Carroll brought us Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, which is probably one of the most adapted works in history. Disney actually turned this book into a movie TWICE, but we’ll forget about the Tim Burton version for now and focus strictly with the animated adaptation.

There are so many reasons why Alice seems to fit so well into a good Disney Infinity set that it’s actually pretty amazing Disney decided to currently opt for just a couple power discs instead of an entire Play Set. First, Alice is one of the most recognizable Disney icons from the classic era aside from the princesses themselves. She even has her own themed ride in the Disney Parks that is nothing if not iconic. Kids would snap this up, instantly knowing the world and the characters. Also, with a varied character roster that could include Alice, the Queen of Hearts, the Mad Hatter, the White Rabbit, and the Cheshire Cat (at the very least), there’s something that actually has some general appeal across the board.


Crazy = Grade A fun. Or the nuthouse, either one.

Wonderland. Talk about place that you could go nuts in (no pun intended). There’s no end to the possibilities for what players could do just in Alice’s home world. In fact, developers might have a harder time deciding how to narrow it down to a manageable scale while keeping it from looking like a rehash of the world in Kingdom Hearts.

There are actually more than a few characters that could easily be playable in the Toy Box and with some interesting quirks. The Cheshire Cat is one of the few four-legged Disney creatures not actually limited by his four legs, gravity, or even physics. He could potentially pop from one place to another over short distances, or disappear altogether, though you may run into the Super Smash Bros. cloaking device issue. Also, since he doesn’t generally walk much at all, floating is more his style. There’s also no limitation on handling weapons.

The Mad Hatter would be akin to someone like Roger Rabbit, cartoony and not really limited by much either since he’s crazy. Alice even just rolls with the punches her entire time in Wonderland, so she wouldn’t be afraid of any craziness like riding flying elephants or taking out someone with a frying pan. The only one maybe not suited for the Toy Box would be the White Rabbit, and actually not because he couldn’t run pretty darn fast or have the free hands for weapons, but because he’s just too cowardly to do much of anything.

Why Disney chose not to incorporate more strictly Disney icons in the early Play Sets of their game is left to speculation, but with any luck, Alice will eventually get a full set to stir some more craziness into this game. We know all the best people are a little bonkers.


The Aristocats (Bad Idea) – by Kimberly Keller

Ev'rybody Wants to Be a Cat, except maybe Disney Infinity players. This film from 1970 was the last to be approved by Walt Disney himself before he died in 1966, making it an important film in the Disney timeline. The Aristocats featured street-wise alley cat Thomas O’Malley (Abraham de Lacy Giuseppe Casey Thomas O'Malley if we’re really getting technical here), a scorned butler hell bent on committing catocide, and some fantastically crazy jazz numbers.

Almost all characters are cats in this film and do behave as such around humans. However, things really get interesting once left alone as they instantly put on more human-like qualities doing everything from upright dancing to playing the trombone with ease. Their furry little paws can hold anything they want without regard to their lack of opposable thumbs and they seem to have no problems standing on two feet when they feel like it.


More musically inclined than most people...

Clearly, these are cats that could make the cut for Disney Infinity if we’re just basing it off of physical capabilities. As far as popularity goes, Marie, the middle kitten, is a meet and greet character down at Walt Disney World. You can go see her, and her staggering wait line, in Epcot at the France pavilion. This is a kitten that is in direct competition with Belle from Beauty and the Beast and she seems to be holding her own just fine. This film is over forty years old, but still sees some serious attention from all generations so it would make sense to look at this film for some Disney Infinity inspiration.

However, at the end of the day, these characters are just cats with no special abilities. Unlike films that fall in the Robin Hood category, these are not fully humanized animals. Besides looking completely ridiculous if they try to run and fight while standing up, there isn’t much to their world beyond the events in the film, completely ruining any Play Set potential. Unless Madame Bonfamille hires another servant with an incurable hatred of her pets, players will be stuck exploring a happy Parisian home with rich kitties.


Can I get reincarnated as a rich Parisian kitten?

Of course, figurines and Play Sets are not all Disney Infinity offers for their movies, there is also opportunity for a Power Disc addition. I don’t really think this fits in either though as the film doesn’t offer anything truly unique to the game. A French-inspired theme? Just look to Beauty and the Beast, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc., for more varied and playful settings to choose from. Gadgets and vehicles? I think we’re stuck choosing between a milk cart, cat-sized musical instruments, and an old motorcycle complete with a funky green sidecar (perfect for cat-napping). I can’t see much use for jazz club singing either, so an abilities disc is out.

The Aristocats is a film that has truly stood the test of time. Whether this is because of some heart-felt family themes, downright silly plotline, or its psychedelic 1970’s tendencies remains to be seen, but I just can’t see it taking the next step and transitioning into the gaming world, no matter how adorable those groovy cats are.

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Talkback

CericOctober 03, 2013

294,000 units.  Double Standard on Success.

Alright on the article.

CericOctober 03, 2013

I think Winnie the Pooh be an ok edition.


Now Roger Rabbit on the other hand would be one of those great on paper but not in reality combinations.  While I think the characters themselves be a great fit.  I don't see how the stages for them would work.  A large portion of the charm of Who Framed Roger Rabbit is having that contrast between the Cartoon and Real world and between Now and Then.  They would need photo realistic characters and settings to play the straight man to do it right.  They have to be different then the actual Infinity Universe style to get the contrast right.

BJWanlundOctober 03, 2013

YES to Roger Rabbit!  What about The Three Caballeros?  That technically would include a member of the Fab Five (or Six depending on your perspective), but hey, it'd certainly be interesting.

CericOctober 03, 2013

Lets really dig.  The Three Little Pigs.  They had their own series. 

MetalMario2October 03, 2013

None of these will be coming. The game ought to be called "Pixar Infinity: Featuring Johnny Depp".

CericOctober 04, 2013

To be honest Pixar properties are probably the easiest to port since they already have 3D models to start with.

Spak-SpangOctober 07, 2013

Actually Roger Rabbit would work if you only had Toon Town.  Toon Town was great and super Creepy...but you would have to get that sugary cell shaded world just perfect, and it would be a careful balance between annoying and brilliant. 



MetalMario2October 09, 2013

I actually binge-watched the Tinkerbell movies on Netflix on a day that I felt particularly bored and shiftless, and I've got to admit, they weren't that bad. Strictly kid's stuff, but not that bad. Disney is doing a good job of developing the character's genesis gradually over the course of this series of films. In the third film, they explained why Tinkerbell can't speak to humans using her normal voice, and the next film in development is supposed to feature a young Captain Hook (before Peter Pan cuts off his hand, of course).

WahOctober 09, 2013

Lucario ::)

MetalMario2October 25, 2013

Yeah, "The Black Cauldron" sucked.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorOctober 25, 2013

Song of the South.

MetalMario2October 25, 2013

They could actually do that if they left out Uncle Remus and the Tar Baby. I mean, it worked for Splash Mountain.

TeaHeeOctober 25, 2013

I didn't hate "The Black Cauldron" but I was also completely enamored with the book series it was based on back in junior high. Following much of the logic put forward against it, I would have to guess that "The Sword and the Stone" would also fall in the bad idea list.

KeyBillyOctober 27, 2013

I didn't realize that Black Couldron was so hated.  I saw it a few years ago and liked it a lot.  It has a unique tone and style that captured my imagination.  I don't plan on getting Infinity, but maybe it would work to make statues/buildings/mountains/weapons/etc. for the lesser known franchises, similar to trophies in SSB.

Jasae BushaeOctober 28, 2013

Having read the books the black cauldron is based upon, I can certainly say that the movie was worlds better by comparison and that a darker vibe would not have saved the film in the least.

And, I agree that it might not make the best of playsets for Infinity. As structured as that movie was, unless the playset was having you go through the plot of the film to detail, the creators would have to create some pretty new material (perhaps borrowing from other books in the original series?) which might be more work than they want to put in.
That said, if they did do it, it would not necesarily be a bad playset. The lone ranger playset received much much higher reviews than the film did and gets near universal praise for its approach despite the films mixed reaction. So if they were to tackle the black cauldron, they could probably make it work.


Though thinking on it, the black cauldron would actually make a pretty awesome kingdom hearts world. Given that settings penchant for telling the stories of movies over with the inclusion of kingdom hearts setting...They could simply give the horned king a cauldron that summons heartless and run the characters through a pretty solid world.


As for kim possible, I have to ask, what basis makes that series a good choice? They are already planning a phineas and ferb playset. They have the Incredibles already lined up. What could a kim possible playset offer that does not come off as a boring repeat of the already established playsets?
Lone Ranger tackled wild west
Incredibles did superheroes
Pirates did pirates
Monsters University did college life

The playsets at least for the first year or two should be trying to branch out and cover multiple genres instead of making a bunch of very similar playsets elsewise your just creating a game with tedium that is rereleasing the same content over and over.
Which would be bad for Kim Possible since as you said, it HAD its final season and its only getting older and further from public memory

TrekStyxNovember 04, 2013

I think the Kim Possible and her world of characters would be an awesome addition to Infinity.


It's true that The Incredibles already covers the superhero territory and Monsters U covers college/school life, but Kim Possible is NEITHER of these genres. She's a spy!


She's got gadgets, stealth, and acrobatics and fights evil all without the benefit of Mr. Incredible-esque strength. She's the Disney cartoon equivalent of Batman or James Bond, and the spy genre and martial arts action is something that is seriously fun and currently lacking in the current roster of Infinity swashbucklers and supers.


Plus a KP playset has great potential. If there's any doubt in your mind that her unique world of characters doesn't translate into a good gaming experience, check out the "Kim Possible: What's the Switch?" game from 2006. It is surprisingly addictive and even more surprising, incredibly challenging.


As for The Black Cauldron. It is indeed dated and doesn't work. While it may be true that something like The Lone Ranger got a playset that was more well received than its more polarizing film counterpart, that was also a modern, recent Disney property and one with Johnny "Captain Jack" Depp attached no less. Suffice it to say, The Lone Ranger deserved a second skin in gaming and Disney was rightly motivated to give it that chance.


Black Cauldron is old, irrelevant and didn't work for Disney even in its heyday. While the right group of developers might be able to fish through the source material and conjure up a fresh take on the story in game form, that would say more their own creativity than it would for The Black Cauldron as a deserving Infinity candidate.


Definitely proper good/bad ideas this week!

Tron, Flynn and Sark.


I have to disagree on Loki though—I prefer my Marvel, LucasFilm and Disney separate. If the line gets blurred, we may end up with Spider-Mickey and Darth Goofy, and I don't know if I want to live in that kind of world.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorDecember 06, 2013

You don't say....

http://www.geekrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Darth-Goofy.jpg

I'm not sure if I'll ever get this game, but if they came out with Wall-E, my wife would buy the figurines regardless.

azekeDecember 07, 2013

Quote from: ballisticmedicine

Kill me. Now.

I know right?..

They're smearing all stinky SW business over our precious Goofy!..

Zombie Goofy in one of the latest Mickey Mouse shorts was so creepy

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