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Disney Infinity: Good Idea, Bad Idea

Halloweentown and Hocus Pocus

by Becky Hollada and Kimberly Keller - October 30, 2013, 4:32 pm EDT

Spooky, scary!

Halloweentown Movies (Good Idea) – By Becky Hollada

First of all, no, not Halloweentown from The Nightmare Before Christmas, but Halloweentown from the Disney Channel original movies. Four movies were made and shown on Disney Channel about a mysterious parallel world where all the things we celebrate on Halloween are commonplace including its inhabitants. Despite having a rather childish premise, these movies can be really dark and full of an adventure that just begs to be in the Disney Infinity line-up in celebration for one of the best times of year.

In the Play Set, the home world would single-handedly be one of the best things. It would be like having a place to have Halloween fun all year round that is significantly less creepy than Tim Burton’s version. Not that Jack Skellington and his friends aren’t charming in their own way, but their Halloweentown feels like it’s out to kill you. The Halloweentown from the Disney Channel movies is just a normal world, but where everyone’s a witch, goblin, troll, etc. They go to the dentist, they get haircuts, and they have abandoned old movie theaters with monsters lurking inside. And all these things you’d get to see through the eyes of a young witch named Marnie Piper who is just learning to use her powers after years of believing she was an ordinary human. Having to track down ingredients for a potion to brew and flying through the air on the newest model broom. It’s like all the fun of Harry Potter, but with more black and orange.

With the very free uses of magic in the Halloweentown world the possibilities while playing Marnie, her grandmother, and maybe even her little sister Sophie in the Toy Box, are endless. These witches can improvise and do so regularly, creating new spells out of thin air and using whatever they have to in order to beat the baddies. This kind of magic would be really interesting to mix with the rest of the stuff already available in the Toy Box.

Customization Power Discs would probably be the next best thing Halloweentown has to offer. Imagine getting to change the entire Toy Box every year during October to have a bouncy, yet bizarre, Halloween themed look. It would be easy to do since in the movies Halloweentown is already like the real world, but just with a Halloween look laid over the top.

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For those who want to be crazy festive, and for those who may be just crazy.

The only real downside to this Play Set is the pretty narrow choice of characters. In the Halloweentown movies Marnie is really the main focus and that’s it. Debbie Reynolds plays her fun and eccentric grandmother, and little Sophie, who I mentioned before, is no joke either, but that’s kind of pushing it. For a full Play Set, Disney mayhave to dig a little and take some risks on this one. But for a holiday themed Play Set with a little more fun to it than a Tim Burton world, the Disney Channel Halloweentown is the way to go.


Hocus Pocus (Bad Idea) – by Kimberly Keller

Despite its cult status and television popularity, Hocus Pocus should probably stay clear of the gaming world. Critics in 1993 gave the film mixed to negative reviews, proving that critics in 1993 should stay in 1993. The movie is crazy, absurd, and taught me everything I needed to know about Salem, Massachusetts. However, making a Play Set out of the character’s adventures and then sending them off to the Toy Box creates an unpleasant tableau that is almost a caricature of itself.

Let’s review our character choices. The Sanderson sisters are, quite literally, a highflying trio with mass murder on their minds and an uncanny ability to pick up and improvise pop songs. Thackery Binx is a teenager turned talking cat from 1693, ‘nuff said. Max, Dani, and Allison are also in the movie, but since they are 100% normal humans who stumble into the Sandersons’ plan, they’re best left off the potential game ledger.

If a Play Set were to exist it would probably focus on Binx. He’s been alive for 300 years, guarding the black-flamed candle, and the movie never accounts for this time. Honestly, the candle was known to be cursed, and the Sanderson’s whole house was eventually turned into a museum, so I doubt anyone really checked out the area after the sisters died or it wouldn’t have been in such pristine condition in 1993. But I guess for the sake of something to do we can assume there were other angsty teens dead set on impressing their crush by breaking and entering private property. Enter kitty cat Binx, professional mood killer, security guard, and occasionally rat control specialist. Okay, so maybe ruining teenage romance is something that brings you great joy and you practically fall out of your chair with excitement at the thought of coupling it with lookout duties, but I’m going to venture a guess and say the average gamer does not.

Let’s put the Sanderson sisters in the Toy Box. They would probably look pretty cool, I’ll admit it. Jack Sparrow’s revamp totally worked and theirs would be fun. Okay, so now that they’re in the Toy Box, now what? Honestly, what is there to do with them? They sniff out and murder children? Kind of weird abilities for the Disney Infinity vibe. It would be kind of funny to see them run around since they never go quicker than a fast walk in the film. And unfortunately, um, that’s it. They are, mostly, middle-aged witches. Unlike most of the characters we bash here, they would fit in just fine with any of the weapons, vehicles, etc, of the power discs, but I just don’t see enough of a payoff to include them.


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Best vehicle... ever.

Here’s what I do want: a Sanderson Sisters’ vacuum cleaner vehicle power disc. It can be a limited edition Halloween thing, or whatever, I don’t care. I just want it, no discussion needed.

Altered images courtesy of Kimberly Keller.

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Talkback

CericOctober 03, 2013

294,000 units.  Double Standard on Success.

Alright on the article.

CericOctober 03, 2013

I think Winnie the Pooh be an ok edition.


Now Roger Rabbit on the other hand would be one of those great on paper but not in reality combinations.  While I think the characters themselves be a great fit.  I don't see how the stages for them would work.  A large portion of the charm of Who Framed Roger Rabbit is having that contrast between the Cartoon and Real world and between Now and Then.  They would need photo realistic characters and settings to play the straight man to do it right.  They have to be different then the actual Infinity Universe style to get the contrast right.

BJWanlundOctober 03, 2013

YES to Roger Rabbit!  What about The Three Caballeros?  That technically would include a member of the Fab Five (or Six depending on your perspective), but hey, it'd certainly be interesting.

CericOctober 03, 2013

Lets really dig.  The Three Little Pigs.  They had their own series. 

MetalMario2October 03, 2013

None of these will be coming. The game ought to be called "Pixar Infinity: Featuring Johnny Depp".

CericOctober 04, 2013

To be honest Pixar properties are probably the easiest to port since they already have 3D models to start with.

Spak-SpangOctober 07, 2013

Actually Roger Rabbit would work if you only had Toon Town.  Toon Town was great and super Creepy...but you would have to get that sugary cell shaded world just perfect, and it would be a careful balance between annoying and brilliant. 



MetalMario2October 09, 2013

I actually binge-watched the Tinkerbell movies on Netflix on a day that I felt particularly bored and shiftless, and I've got to admit, they weren't that bad. Strictly kid's stuff, but not that bad. Disney is doing a good job of developing the character's genesis gradually over the course of this series of films. In the third film, they explained why Tinkerbell can't speak to humans using her normal voice, and the next film in development is supposed to feature a young Captain Hook (before Peter Pan cuts off his hand, of course).

WahOctober 09, 2013

Lucario ::)

MetalMario2October 25, 2013

Yeah, "The Black Cauldron" sucked.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorOctober 25, 2013

Song of the South.

MetalMario2October 25, 2013

They could actually do that if they left out Uncle Remus and the Tar Baby. I mean, it worked for Splash Mountain.

TeaHeeOctober 25, 2013

I didn't hate "The Black Cauldron" but I was also completely enamored with the book series it was based on back in junior high. Following much of the logic put forward against it, I would have to guess that "The Sword and the Stone" would also fall in the bad idea list.

KeyBillyOctober 27, 2013

I didn't realize that Black Couldron was so hated.  I saw it a few years ago and liked it a lot.  It has a unique tone and style that captured my imagination.  I don't plan on getting Infinity, but maybe it would work to make statues/buildings/mountains/weapons/etc. for the lesser known franchises, similar to trophies in SSB.

Jasae BushaeOctober 28, 2013

Having read the books the black cauldron is based upon, I can certainly say that the movie was worlds better by comparison and that a darker vibe would not have saved the film in the least.

And, I agree that it might not make the best of playsets for Infinity. As structured as that movie was, unless the playset was having you go through the plot of the film to detail, the creators would have to create some pretty new material (perhaps borrowing from other books in the original series?) which might be more work than they want to put in.
That said, if they did do it, it would not necesarily be a bad playset. The lone ranger playset received much much higher reviews than the film did and gets near universal praise for its approach despite the films mixed reaction. So if they were to tackle the black cauldron, they could probably make it work.


Though thinking on it, the black cauldron would actually make a pretty awesome kingdom hearts world. Given that settings penchant for telling the stories of movies over with the inclusion of kingdom hearts setting...They could simply give the horned king a cauldron that summons heartless and run the characters through a pretty solid world.


As for kim possible, I have to ask, what basis makes that series a good choice? They are already planning a phineas and ferb playset. They have the Incredibles already lined up. What could a kim possible playset offer that does not come off as a boring repeat of the already established playsets?
Lone Ranger tackled wild west
Incredibles did superheroes
Pirates did pirates
Monsters University did college life

The playsets at least for the first year or two should be trying to branch out and cover multiple genres instead of making a bunch of very similar playsets elsewise your just creating a game with tedium that is rereleasing the same content over and over.
Which would be bad for Kim Possible since as you said, it HAD its final season and its only getting older and further from public memory

TrekStyxNovember 04, 2013

I think the Kim Possible and her world of characters would be an awesome addition to Infinity.


It's true that The Incredibles already covers the superhero territory and Monsters U covers college/school life, but Kim Possible is NEITHER of these genres. She's a spy!


She's got gadgets, stealth, and acrobatics and fights evil all without the benefit of Mr. Incredible-esque strength. She's the Disney cartoon equivalent of Batman or James Bond, and the spy genre and martial arts action is something that is seriously fun and currently lacking in the current roster of Infinity swashbucklers and supers.


Plus a KP playset has great potential. If there's any doubt in your mind that her unique world of characters doesn't translate into a good gaming experience, check out the "Kim Possible: What's the Switch?" game from 2006. It is surprisingly addictive and even more surprising, incredibly challenging.


As for The Black Cauldron. It is indeed dated and doesn't work. While it may be true that something like The Lone Ranger got a playset that was more well received than its more polarizing film counterpart, that was also a modern, recent Disney property and one with Johnny "Captain Jack" Depp attached no less. Suffice it to say, The Lone Ranger deserved a second skin in gaming and Disney was rightly motivated to give it that chance.


Black Cauldron is old, irrelevant and didn't work for Disney even in its heyday. While the right group of developers might be able to fish through the source material and conjure up a fresh take on the story in game form, that would say more their own creativity than it would for The Black Cauldron as a deserving Infinity candidate.


Definitely proper good/bad ideas this week!

Tron, Flynn and Sark.


I have to disagree on Loki though—I prefer my Marvel, LucasFilm and Disney separate. If the line gets blurred, we may end up with Spider-Mickey and Darth Goofy, and I don't know if I want to live in that kind of world.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorDecember 06, 2013

You don't say....

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I'm not sure if I'll ever get this game, but if they came out with Wall-E, my wife would buy the figurines regardless.

azekeDecember 07, 2013

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Kill me. Now.

I know right?..

They're smearing all stinky SW business over our precious Goofy!..

Zombie Goofy in one of the latest Mickey Mouse shorts was so creepy

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