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Disney Infinity: Good Idea, Bad Idea

Kim Possible and The Black Cauldron

by Becky Hollada and Kimberly Keller - October 25, 2013, 8:59 am EDT

Popularity and obscurity make up this week's ideas.

Kim Possible (Good Idea) – by Kimberly Keller

Stopping villains, saving the world, and finishing homework all before curfew, is there anything Kim Possible can’t do? This series, the second longest running Disney Channel animated show, was so popular that fans successfully rallied and convinced Disney to pay for another season after it had officially concluded.

Basically, this is the greatest show ever. Sure, Breaking Bad might have gripping plotlines, complex characters, and a Guinness World Record, but does it have a rapping naked mole rat, a blue super villain with a funky fresh flying car, or even coco moo?? I think not.

Even though it needs no explanation, let’s humor the non-believers and check out why this show should make the cut for the big ol’ Disney Infinity. Kim Possible is THE action hero of Disney Channel with almost super human skills and determination. Ron Stoppable’s dad, an actuary, once calculated that her extraordinary abilities made her daily hero duties no more dangerous than “the average student skateboarding to school”. Even Ron Stoppable, however clumsy, also possesses “The Ron Factor”, a certain chaos theory-esque je ne sais pas that allows him to achieve unlikely feats that rival even Kim’s skills. Also, don’t even get started on the Mystical Monkey Powers (do I smell a power disc?).


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Welcome to Star Command Lieutenant Possible.

The series has utilized various gadgets throughout the years, most notably the Kimmunicator and the simplistic, yet ever-useful, grappling hook. I’ll admit I’m hard pressed to find a use for the Kimmunicator in the Toy Box, sorry Wade, but the grappling hook definitely deserves a place of honor. In addition to its use as a means of transportation, the grappling hook was used to stop insanely large objects from crushing allies and for capturing groups of enemies all at once. Both of these uses can be easily translated into the game.

Even Shego’s green power… laser hand… things would be an awesome addition to the Power Disc ability set. The green/black surges of energy not only destroy everything a character touches, but can be thrown at enemies and objects as well. Customization discs can bring the stylized theme of Middleton or Drakken’s evil lair to the game as well.

Kim Possible is ripe with possibilities for the Disney Infinity world. It’s quirky sense of humor and smart writing make for a hilariously fun and action packed play set that would only get better when unleashed upon the Toy Box. Can I get a Booyah?


The Black Cauldron (Bad Idea) – By Becky Hollada

Being that The Black Cauldron is a Disney film only known for being pretty unknown, it’s definitely not the best choice for a Disney Infinity playset. Released in 1985, the film wasn’t well-received overall despite having great visuals. It was originally a much darker story than most Disney films, at least before management changed and new studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg personally cut several minutes from the film to lighten the tone. Unfortunately, while the dark tone may have redeemed it somewhat, a bland film makes for a blander playset.

As always, with bad playsets, the Toy Box is one of the biggest areas where this idea breaks down. The Black Cauldron is set in a medieval type fantasy world that just clashes outright with most of the existing playsets in Disney Infinity. There’s not quite enough whimsy to this film’s style and characters that can compensate for the period look, versus something like Tangled with horses that wag their tails like dogs and chameleons with attitude. The most whimsy we get is a really obnoxious dog-looking thing and evil sorcery. The difference would be clear if you put any of these characters alongside those such as Lightning McQueen or The Incredibles. They would look seriously out of place even in a world that combines toys and pirates.

Another important thing Disney has to consider with these playsets is money. It’s the root of all evil, I know, but trying to sell figurines for a movie few people have actually seen, let alone liked? And there aren’t even any iconic characters in this franchise to bank on. At a practical level it likely just wouldn’t sell because it wouldn’t be recognizable.


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Pretty much how I feel about Gurgi all the time.

Boring characters are rampant in this movie and it’s one of the things the film was negatively reviewed for back when it released. Disney is known for having some of the most fun, vibrant, and interesting characters out there, and none of them in The Black Cauldron fit that bill. Taran is a hopeless hero, Eilonwy is an attempt at making a spirited, adventurous princess who just ends up being annoying and kind of a nag, and Gurgi… I don’t think I was the only one who was almost sad to see him okay. They weren’t enjoyable in the movie and I don’t think they would be much better in a video game where personality is half the fun.

For many obvious reasons, The Black Cauldron is probably not on Disney’s shortlist for Disney Infinity, and we can all be glad for that. However, if they ever decided to do some digging in the vault for old ideas to refresh and re-market, this movie is hopefully one they will skip right over.

Altered images courtesy of Kimberly Keller.

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Talkback

CericOctober 03, 2013

294,000 units.  Double Standard on Success.

Alright on the article.

CericOctober 03, 2013

I think Winnie the Pooh be an ok edition.


Now Roger Rabbit on the other hand would be one of those great on paper but not in reality combinations.  While I think the characters themselves be a great fit.  I don't see how the stages for them would work.  A large portion of the charm of Who Framed Roger Rabbit is having that contrast between the Cartoon and Real world and between Now and Then.  They would need photo realistic characters and settings to play the straight man to do it right.  They have to be different then the actual Infinity Universe style to get the contrast right.

BJWanlundOctober 03, 2013

YES to Roger Rabbit!  What about The Three Caballeros?  That technically would include a member of the Fab Five (or Six depending on your perspective), but hey, it'd certainly be interesting.

CericOctober 03, 2013

Lets really dig.  The Three Little Pigs.  They had their own series. 

MetalMario2October 03, 2013

None of these will be coming. The game ought to be called "Pixar Infinity: Featuring Johnny Depp".

CericOctober 04, 2013

To be honest Pixar properties are probably the easiest to port since they already have 3D models to start with.

Spak-SpangOctober 07, 2013

Actually Roger Rabbit would work if you only had Toon Town.  Toon Town was great and super Creepy...but you would have to get that sugary cell shaded world just perfect, and it would be a careful balance between annoying and brilliant. 



MetalMario2October 09, 2013

I actually binge-watched the Tinkerbell movies on Netflix on a day that I felt particularly bored and shiftless, and I've got to admit, they weren't that bad. Strictly kid's stuff, but not that bad. Disney is doing a good job of developing the character's genesis gradually over the course of this series of films. In the third film, they explained why Tinkerbell can't speak to humans using her normal voice, and the next film in development is supposed to feature a young Captain Hook (before Peter Pan cuts off his hand, of course).

WahOctober 09, 2013

Lucario ::)

MetalMario2October 25, 2013

Yeah, "The Black Cauldron" sucked.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorOctober 25, 2013

Song of the South.

MetalMario2October 25, 2013

They could actually do that if they left out Uncle Remus and the Tar Baby. I mean, it worked for Splash Mountain.

TeaHeeOctober 25, 2013

I didn't hate "The Black Cauldron" but I was also completely enamored with the book series it was based on back in junior high. Following much of the logic put forward against it, I would have to guess that "The Sword and the Stone" would also fall in the bad idea list.

KeyBillyOctober 27, 2013

I didn't realize that Black Couldron was so hated.  I saw it a few years ago and liked it a lot.  It has a unique tone and style that captured my imagination.  I don't plan on getting Infinity, but maybe it would work to make statues/buildings/mountains/weapons/etc. for the lesser known franchises, similar to trophies in SSB.

Jasae BushaeOctober 28, 2013

Having read the books the black cauldron is based upon, I can certainly say that the movie was worlds better by comparison and that a darker vibe would not have saved the film in the least.

And, I agree that it might not make the best of playsets for Infinity. As structured as that movie was, unless the playset was having you go through the plot of the film to detail, the creators would have to create some pretty new material (perhaps borrowing from other books in the original series?) which might be more work than they want to put in.
That said, if they did do it, it would not necesarily be a bad playset. The lone ranger playset received much much higher reviews than the film did and gets near universal praise for its approach despite the films mixed reaction. So if they were to tackle the black cauldron, they could probably make it work.


Though thinking on it, the black cauldron would actually make a pretty awesome kingdom hearts world. Given that settings penchant for telling the stories of movies over with the inclusion of kingdom hearts setting...They could simply give the horned king a cauldron that summons heartless and run the characters through a pretty solid world.


As for kim possible, I have to ask, what basis makes that series a good choice? They are already planning a phineas and ferb playset. They have the Incredibles already lined up. What could a kim possible playset offer that does not come off as a boring repeat of the already established playsets?
Lone Ranger tackled wild west
Incredibles did superheroes
Pirates did pirates
Monsters University did college life

The playsets at least for the first year or two should be trying to branch out and cover multiple genres instead of making a bunch of very similar playsets elsewise your just creating a game with tedium that is rereleasing the same content over and over.
Which would be bad for Kim Possible since as you said, it HAD its final season and its only getting older and further from public memory

TrekStyxNovember 04, 2013

I think the Kim Possible and her world of characters would be an awesome addition to Infinity.


It's true that The Incredibles already covers the superhero territory and Monsters U covers college/school life, but Kim Possible is NEITHER of these genres. She's a spy!


She's got gadgets, stealth, and acrobatics and fights evil all without the benefit of Mr. Incredible-esque strength. She's the Disney cartoon equivalent of Batman or James Bond, and the spy genre and martial arts action is something that is seriously fun and currently lacking in the current roster of Infinity swashbucklers and supers.


Plus a KP playset has great potential. If there's any doubt in your mind that her unique world of characters doesn't translate into a good gaming experience, check out the "Kim Possible: What's the Switch?" game from 2006. It is surprisingly addictive and even more surprising, incredibly challenging.


As for The Black Cauldron. It is indeed dated and doesn't work. While it may be true that something like The Lone Ranger got a playset that was more well received than its more polarizing film counterpart, that was also a modern, recent Disney property and one with Johnny "Captain Jack" Depp attached no less. Suffice it to say, The Lone Ranger deserved a second skin in gaming and Disney was rightly motivated to give it that chance.


Black Cauldron is old, irrelevant and didn't work for Disney even in its heyday. While the right group of developers might be able to fish through the source material and conjure up a fresh take on the story in game form, that would say more their own creativity than it would for The Black Cauldron as a deserving Infinity candidate.


Definitely proper good/bad ideas this week!

Tron, Flynn and Sark.


I have to disagree on Loki though—I prefer my Marvel, LucasFilm and Disney separate. If the line gets blurred, we may end up with Spider-Mickey and Darth Goofy, and I don't know if I want to live in that kind of world.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorDecember 06, 2013

You don't say....

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I'm not sure if I'll ever get this game, but if they came out with Wall-E, my wife would buy the figurines regardless.

azekeDecember 07, 2013

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Kill me. Now.

I know right?..

They're smearing all stinky SW business over our precious Goofy!..

Zombie Goofy in one of the latest Mickey Mouse shorts was so creepy

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