They should release it on both platforms at the same time, and whichever version sells the fastest gets to keep it. The one that loses has to wear a dress.

Fat chance of this ever happening. legally anyways...

They chickened out of facing a potential lawsuit is more like it

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I say who cares, sure Goldeneye was a classic back in the day but now there are better things. I played it again recently and with its horrible movement controlls, its cheap dumb as hell enemies, and its annoying protecting mission its just not fun for me anymore. The only reson I would see people buying it is purly for nestalgia and nothing else. Plus, does the Xbox really need any more FPS's?

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I say who cares, sure Goldeneye was a classic back in the day but now there are better things. I played it again recently and with its horrible movement controlls, its cheap dumb as hell enemies, and its annoying protecting mission its just not fun for me anymore. The only reson I would see people buying it is purly for nestalgia and nothing else. Plus, does the Xbox really need any more FPS's?

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Can they even legally emulate a N64 without Nintendo's license? Rare would have to do a complete port.

/sad at Halo hate.

Also,

/sad at Goldeneye hate.

And,

/sad at lack of OVERFLOWING LOVE LOVE LOVE for Perfect Dark. (But not that "Zero" one, that was shameful)

Never cared much for Perfect Dark, the framerate made Goldeneye's look silky smooth. Anyway I would love to see a version GE that has online play added.

Perfect Dark might've been a good game if it'd run at more than 0.2 FPS.

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Saw this happening. Would love to have online multiplayer on Live, but I'm sure this hold Goldeneye fiasco will turn out that it'll never hit the consoles. Personally, I would love to see it released on Live and Wii and both can duke it out online and would be awesome if Goldeneye for Wii supports Wii controls as well. Alas, tis nothing more than a dream.

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As 1up reports, "the point of contention, as our source puts it: would Nintendo receive a one-time fee for the rights to the game, or a continuing cut of the XBLA revenues?"

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Ahahaha.. thanks for making me smile

Perfect Dark was so unbelievably great. Fix the frame rate, put in modern graphics and controls, and add online play (though you'd have to disable the Farsight in online, it can be fun with friends but it would screw everything up with strangers) and it would still be the best FPS out there. The TimeSplitters games have probably surpassed its multiplayer but don't have the single player. Counter-operative multiplayer was a great idea and something that should be standard in all FPSs.

Nintendo was able to remove slowdown in StarFox 64 with the emulation they use, in the extremely unlikely event that Perfect Dark could come to the VC they might be able to do the same with it. I'd gladly pay the $10 for it if they did. Actually, I love the game so much I'd gladly pay the $10 (and make room in my Wii's internal storage if need be) for the game in its original state.

On a side note, I find it funny that at the time Rare was bought by Microsoft the Nintendo faithful treated it as if it were the end of the world and now the only reason we have to be upset about it is the effect it has on the VC releases of their old games. Nintendo was either really smart in judging what Rare had in the pipeline or insanely lucky that it worked out this way.

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The scary truth is that Goldeneye most likely would have been more of a success on XBLA arcade than VC, purely for the reason that it was acually an updated port.
I've tried to play my old N64 games on my 42" plasma, and damn they look HORRIBLE. So while VC may have a better selection of games, XBLA users are getting better treatment with updated ports.

I don't think any of Rare's N64 will be released on VC or XBLA arcade anytime soon. The fact that it's an N64 game running on a non-Nintendo console is rather hard to bear...

HOWEVER.....

Now I dunno the legality of this, but remember in DK64 how it had the original DK and Jetpac games hidden away?
Rare would probably be able to do something like that...e.g. putting the old Jet Force Gemini of Banjo Kazooie/Tooie games as unlockables in their new incarnations on Xbox 360......
You never know...

Whoever put a stop to this is a horrible person

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I hope this gets attention and they'll release it on both XBLA and the VC. I don't if the VC is just a straight port, I love the game but don't have the space for many consoles.
Also, I want something to work out so there's at least a small chance for Blast Corps.

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Actually Rare themselves on their own site indicated that there was nothing stopping Nintendo from putting more of their games on the VC and that Nintendo just hadn't inquired about it. I believe that discussion was regarding the Banjo Kazooie games in particular. Also, at least Donkey Kong 64 and possibly also Diddy Kong Racing will be able to come to the VC in the same way that the Donkey Kong Country games did, because of their use of the DK franchise. I think the most important question is whether we'll be able to get Battletoads.

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I think microsoft should be able to sell Goldeneye and other rare games(sans DonkeyKong titltes) on xbox live, but Nintendo has to get a 40% cut, and also Nintendo gets to also offer them on the Wii. Its kinda sad that a big portion of n64s biggest games don't look like they'll be coming because they're made by Rare. Also, games that are filled with Nintendo logos should have those Nintendo logos replaced by a fictional companies logos. A Nintendo logo shouldnt appear on an xbox game, and an MS logo shouldn't replace the Nintendo logo.

Termin most of the N64 games that have come out on VC have had a resolution increase, Mario Kart and Lylat Wars in particular are noticeably sharper.

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Actually Rare themselves on their own site indicated that there was nothing stopping Nintendo from putting more of their games on the VC and that Nintendo just hadn't inquired about it. I believe that discussion was regarding the Banjo Kazooie games in particular. Also, at least Donkey Kong 64 and possibly also Diddy Kong Racing will be able to come to the VC in the same way that the Donkey Kong Country games did, because of their use of the DK franchise. I think the most important question is whether we'll be able to get Battletoads.

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Nintendo legally owns the Donkey Kong franchise, that's why the Donkey Kong Country games are no problem and they didn't need Microsoft's permission. Diddy Kong Racing is a different story since it contains 2 characters owned by Microsoft (Conker and Banjo), so they would either need to get MS's permission to include them or replace them.

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Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.

On top of that the auto-aim rules, variable hit zones, weapon strength, and consecutive hit lag directly tied to it's enjoyment (in Perfect Dark you die too fast).

I wrote a report for stats class when I was in school on this game, maybe I could dig it up.... I covered all sorts of stats on weapon power, dispersion area, hit zones, and auto-aim calculations.

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Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.

On top of that the auto-aim rules, variable hit zones, weapon strength, and consecutive hit lag directly tied to it's enjoyment (in Perfect Dark you die too fast).

I wrote a report for stats class when I was in school on this game, maybe I could dig it up.... I covered all sorts of stats on weapon power, dispersion area, hit zones, and auto-aim calculations.

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Hmm, I think my report was a MS Works file.... so that's lost forever. To bad I hadn't discovered LaTeX by then.

Did find some random data on the subject:

==> Spread
Measured in units of D, where D is the diameter of the cross-hair
Spread
Throwing Knife 1
PP7 1.5
PP7 (Silenced) 1.5
DD44 Dostovei 2
KLOBB 6
KF7 Soviet 5
ZMG (9mm) 4
D5K Deutsche 3.25
US AR33 Assault 3
RC-P90 3
Automatic Shotgun 7.5
Sniper Rifle 1.5
Cougar Magnum 1.25
Golden Gun 2
MoonRaker Laser 1
Remote Mines NA

I think the report said the method used to collect that. Recalling from memory, it was something like standing is a set spot every time and firing at a 90deg plane to a fixed point on a nearby wall. To reset for the next round I'd just shoot elsewhere until the bullet holes would disappear.

Edit: Some on the auto-aim.... now again without the report this is based off memory, but it tested several scenarios. Std. Auto aim, Blind opponent (has no gun or your aiming across and invisible wall both of which disables auto-aim), Std. Auto-Aim while the shooter is crouched, Blind opponent while the shooter is crouched. Both subjects were placed as consistently as possible (wedged against walls for example) and auto-aim or lack there of did the rest.

Auto Aim / Blind / Auto Aim (Crouched) / Blind (Crouched)
Head Shot= 3 Head Shot= 12 Head Shot= 1 Head Shot= 0
Body Shot= 23 Body Shot= 17 Body Shot= 32 Body Shot= 0
Limb Shot= 24 Limb Shot= 21 Limb Shot= 17 Limb Shot= 50

So you'll actually get more random head shots without auto aim if you just stand (and just be shooting at legs if you crouch)

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Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.

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Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.

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Look at this lil' nub. Doesn't know how to run and gun with the C-buttons.

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Uh oh! The gauntlet's been thrown!

*hides*

Advance Wars makes me curl up in a fetal position and cry.

rcp90 = win

Heh heh. Pretty good kid.
Except there's no such thing as a quick stop-aim-shoot in a head to head firefight. You'd get rolled.

I wonder if any NWR staff remembers what happened in GoldenEye in the E3 hotel room years back. My memory is a little foggy but I know there was a lot of 25-0, my favor.

Are you kidding me, both parties allow it to be released on Virtual Console and XBLA, both get revinue, both parties win.....win, win, win...

I can't believe this crap could be so hard

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Holy crap, Wizards and Warriors was Rare?

You learn something new every day.

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SOLAR JETMAN?!?!? THEY DID SOLAR JETMAN?!?!?!

....wow.... just.... wow.

Also: Snake Rattle 'n Roll. *sighs*

So basically, the "Halo" of the 64 and 32-bit era was coming to the console that is home to this decade's "Halo", Halo?

I remember back when the game was originally released. The hype was going through the roof as magazines and fans went nuts over it. I finally get the chance to play it and I while thought that the game was good it wasn't THAT special. And before you say "Oh but the game's great in multiplayer" I did play multiplayer with friends and relatives and while we had fun the sessions were never that long.

I was more of a Perfect Dark man myself. I enver owned Goldeneye... but I do think that PD had a much floatiert feeling to it which Goldeneye lacked, and in that one aspect I actually felt that GE's way of doing things was superior.

Goldeneye would look a lot better running on the Wii verses an N64 cause the resolution would be higher and there would be progressive scan. With these two improvements I think it can be revived and you could have some more fun out of it.

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Golden Eye with Wii controls would destroy the game. Same with dual analog. Golden Eye was one of the few FPS that actually FORCED you to stop moving to aim, and where you couldn't jump around like a baboon. It forced you to pick your routes, angles, and strategies.

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Oh I knew how, and leveraged it quite well when appropriate. (ie: Circle strafing in open areas)

However, quick stops to aim and shoot for the head payed huge dividends with how the game worked. That required a bit more thought, anticipation, and strategy. Something you hot head gunners lack. Speaking of which, when do I get to work you in Advance Wars again? Got a feeling you'll be easy to roll over

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Oh they were both good. Perfect Dark had all the options and Goldeneye made for some mean 4 player with license to kill with pistols or SMGs in that level with the offices.

The auto aim worked well enough, but if the target was moving sideways in anyway the auto aim would always trail behind by just a little bit also the auto aim doesn't work once the target gets too far. It starts having trouble holding it's aim.

I am not surprised that GE for live has been canceled. I am surprised it got this far.

Goldeneye may not seem special now, but it help make the case for console FPS. It also introduced a lot of technologies in to game development. MO-CAP, scripted AI, body part hit detection(PC most likely had this first), usable vehicles (shadow warrior might have this one), objective based gameplay. It also did something that few games like it achieve. As a licensed game is was good.

Perfect Dark was ahead of its time back then, offering dual-controller dual-analog DOUBLE-PENETRATING controls, LONG BEFORE Nintendo embarrassed the world with its split Remote/Nunchuck scheme.

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Don't forget barrel-rolling enemies!

Diddy Kong Racing DS sucked major balls.
Taj with an English accent? F**K YOU, HE'S A CLICHE INDIAN. GET IT RIGHT.

You know what though, despite Activision allowing MS to release the port of Goldeneye on XBLA, I'd like to think that Nintendo blocked MS based on PRINCIPLE.

"Nintendo game on MS console? GTFO" says Iwata-san.

For MS to only pay Nintendo a one-off fee is blasphemous. There is only one way for this financial settlement to work:
Ninty gets 80% of the money from each purchase; 15% goes to a charity of their choice, and the remaining 5% to pay for Pierce Brosnan's JBA (James Bonds Anonymous) rehab sessions.

Either that, or ONLY release it on VC.

I say N and MS release it at the same time with the same feature set(online multi) on XBLA & WiiWare.
But, MS also has to let PD with improved frame rate and online multi release to WiiWare and XBLA at the same time too.

It wouldn't hurt to upgrade the visuals in both titles either, some new textures and increased resolution would help alot.

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Is the issue between Microsoft (who owns Rare) and Nintendo? Nothing like Sony's stake in the James Bond movie license or Activision (I think)'s current ownership of the James Bond video games?



'Cause I would like to see how this affects other Rare games if it's not about Bond specifically.



Despite Banjo-Kazoothree (or whatever it's going to be called) destined for the Xbox 360, I feel the Banjo-Kazooie games would "fit" better on the VC. Of course, that's just my opinion...



I never owned GoldenEye 007, but still played the heck out of it at a friend's. I would like it on the Wii (obviously), even if the controls seem antiquated now...

as much as i'd love to see Goldeneye 007 on wii rather than than XBL, i dont think i'd enjoy it as much simply because of the controller set up. I wouldnt feel right playing it with a GC controller or the classic controller. It took awhile for me to get used to playing mario kart 64, starfox 64 and sin & punishment with both those pads, but goldeneye.. i cant see myself adjusting that easily.



the 64 controller was so unique and the way the Z trigger was positioned right behind the control stick made for such a natural way to aim and fire a gun. it was pretty intuitive (despite your character holding the gun and pulling the trigger on the opposite hand.. assuming you're right handed and had your left hand on the trigger). Also the controll stick would be awkward for "looking" and strafing because it acts as digital buttons vs the analog stick that it is.

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