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Metroid Prime 3 Coming to a TV Near You

by Karlie Yeung - August 24, 2007, 10:19 am EDT
Total comments: 89 Source: NOA

The television commercial is ready, but watch it here if you can't wait.

Keeping up with the same theme and sound of the other Wii ads, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is presented in much the same way however this time our businessmen have taken the game into airports. People demonstrate the game and the Wii remote and nunchuck controls with their arms held hight and the crowds behind them.

The bounty hunters can be found below.

Talkback

Ian SaneAugust 24, 2007

Wait, is this just coming out on TV now? The game comes out in three days. Building hype? What's that?

GoldenPhoenixAugust 24, 2007

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Wait, is this just coming out on TV now? The game comes out in three days. Building hype? What's that?


I take it you aren't too familiar with Nintendo's marketing strategies for the last few years? They never have commercials until 3 days or so before launch, though to their credit they had something, maybe you heard of it, the Metroid Prime 3 Channel that has been hyping people up for the last couple of weeks.

Ian SaneAugust 24, 2007

I know of the Metroid Prime 3 Preview Channel but that's only a portion of the market. It's only available to people who own a Wii and are online with it. A TV commercial extends to a wider audience. With Wii's still being hard to find I guess it doesn't matter for now but I don't think this is an ideal setup in the longrun. Nintendo games rarely seem to have that vibe where everyone is talking about them weeks or even months before the game comes out. The midnight madness Halo 2 sales kind of stuff hype is never there. Metroid Prime's financial success last gen did not compare to its critical success. It was considered one of the absolute best games last gen but didn't have the popularity it should have. So maybe Nintendo should want to get more people talking about it before release than those who would buy it without any ads at all.

The Wii itself seems to be the star right now moreso than the individual games.

Spak-SpangAugust 24, 2007

I love this commercial. It keeps the feel of the Nintendo Wii commercials, but shows more gameplay, something that they need to do with Prime 3.

DAaaMan64August 24, 2007

Hmm. I don't like this commercial. Seems like it has an identity crisis with the other games. No girl and the other crowd is gonna be interested in the *oh noes* "hardcore" stuffs.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 24, 2007

Ian Metroid Prime was hyped beyond belief and it still sold only decently. I've come to the realization that Metroid Prime series, regardless of its quality, is only going to sell to the hardcore Nintendo fans, it just doesn't have enough of the "cool" things that games like the Halo series has, with the big one being multiplayer. Also where would these Wii's be coming from that Nintendo is trying to sell with Metroid Prime 3? They are rapidly dissapearing from store shelves already and that is without Metroid Prime 3. What Nintendo needs to do is hype the game enough to get it recognition but only to sell in the future. The "hardcore" base of Nintendo most likely already has a Wii and they will most likely be getting it.

Ian SaneAugust 24, 2007

I do like the actual commercial itself. For years I've demanded more game footage to demonstrate to people the actual game instead of assuming they know. This makes a very non-mainstream game look really mainstream friendly. It's funny as Nintendo kind of stumbled onto making good ads because the Wii controller required demonstration. I don't like their non-gamer focus but assuming your audience knows nothing makes for better ads.

Ian SaneAugust 24, 2007

"No girl and the other crowd is gonna be interested in the *oh noes* 'hardcore' stuffs."

Who cares? Trick them into playing good games and maybe we can turn non-gamers into gamers and Nintendo can have their big audience without compromising their output. Back in 1997 people probably thought it was dumb for Square to have such a great ad for Final Fantasy VII because RPGs are too hardcore but it worked.

"Ian Metroid Prime was hyped beyond belief and it still sold only decently."

I never heard anyone who wasn't already familiar with Metroid talk about it. It was hyped among us but I didn't see big posters about it in stores like I have with other really hyped up games. The ads assumed you already knew but since Metroid had disappeared for a whole generation most people didn't know it. It didn't have Halo hype or GTA Vice City hype. I do agree though that's probably too hardcore of a series. Might as well still try though. They have a great ad here so use it.

I actually like that ad better now that I've rewatched it. TONS of gameplay footage, more than I've ever seen in a commercial before. But do excuse me, for I have to laugh at the EXCITEMENT of turning switches with the wiimote. And at the thought of people missing their flights for this.

that Baby guyAugust 24, 2007

This commercials good. Only, I'm at a library, so no sound. But it looks great. The airport setting makes the game actually feel more important. I'm not kidding. My interest in the game went up a lot, and I was already planning on buying and beating it, which is a lot coming from me. Pretty much everything I buy I never finish.

UltimatePartyBearAugust 24, 2007

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And at the thought of people missing their flights for this.


Their flights were all delayed, obviously.

I think the best part is the kid at the end who recognizes them.

that Baby guyAugust 24, 2007

They need to do a Wii would like to play with Iwata and Miyamoto as the two guys. That would be hilarious.

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They need to do a Wii would like to play with Iwata and Miyamoto as the two guys. That would be hilarious.


They should do that at an E3 or GDC for laughs.

shammackAugust 24, 2007

Boy, they're really hitting that grapple beam hard.

NinGurl69 *hugglesAugust 24, 2007

Too little too late.

Corruption is doomd to Geist sales.

Smash_BrotherAugust 24, 2007

It'll sell incredibly well one way or another, but the first MP commercial which showed in theaters back in the day blows this one out of the water.

Sir_StabbalotAugust 24, 2007

This.. This is kinda weak. It's good that their marketing shows consistency, but Nintendo should have focused more on the game itself then the controls. And the music did NOT fit at all.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 24, 2007

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This.. This is kinda weak. It's good that their marketing shows consistency, but Nintendo should have focused more on the game itself then the controls. And the music did NOT fit at all.


Music that didn't fit worked well for Gears of War.

SheckyAugust 24, 2007

face-icon-small-thumbsup.gifface-icon-small-thumbsup.gif to the commercial.

That soundtrack has become tied to "A Wii commercial"... the commercials better have it. It's like the playstation tone except for the whole segment.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 24, 2007

I don't understand you peoples, you complain that Nintendo isn't advertising the game to gamers beyond the hardcore Wii gamers, and when a commercial does just that with MP showing how interactive it can be, that is also bad. So we are stuck between "We want to expand the audience for Metroid Prime, but we don't want to expand it this way!".

Sir_StabbalotAugust 24, 2007

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Music that didn't fit worked well for Gears of War.


Well, personally, I didn't think it fit well in that commercial, either. But it fit better then this. Mad World was sad sounding and applied partially to the destroyed setting. This... It just doesn't fit. At all. It's almost elevator music.

I like the music. It tells me FUN, and damned to anything else.

Sir_StabbalotAugust 24, 2007

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I don't understand you peoples, you complain that Nintendo isn't advertising the game to gamers beyond the hardcore Wii gamers, and when a commercial does just that with MP showing how interactive it can be, that is also bad. So we are stuck between "We want to expand the audience for Metroid Prime, but we don't want to expand it this way!".


Well, I was kinda thinking that focusing more on the game itself instead of controls might entice more hardcore non-Wii owners.

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I like the music. It tells me FUN, and damned to anything else.


Well, It's kinda hard to argue against that logic.

Ian SaneAugust 24, 2007

"It tells me FUN, and damned to anything else."

The funny thing is as much as I really enjoy Metroid games and how entertaining they are "fun" just seems like such an odd word to use. If I'm entertained I'm having fun. The experience is one in the same. But when I use the word "fun" it's usually to describe something cheery and feelgoody. It's like I only use the term to describe stuff that I feel I could recommend to anyone and Metroid doens't really fit. I'll find listening to some really whomp ass Judas Priest song fun but I don't think the women at my work would so I wouldn't use "fun" to describe it.

Though it might just be that every non-game defender has bullsh!tted the word "fun" to the point where to hear it associated with anything I like sounds wrong.

Anyway if anyone is deceived by the ad, oh well. They get an awesome game out of their purchase.

Haha, that's the thing that makes this ad "good." It's a great big lie. They're putting Metroid in the same wii wacky fun space that they used to advertise so many games before, so gamers who don't know Metroid won't be intimidated by its isolation and cerebral...ness... and instead just say "wow, that looks 'fun' and maybe it's worth remembering" just like they did with some of the other Wii games advertised this way before.

Seriously, how do you advertise isolationism?

MashiroAugust 24, 2007

It's the music they use for all those commercials, why would metroid be any different?

Nintendo's trying to sell metroid to people who wouldn't normally buy Metroid. That's a good thing, right?

MashiroAugust 24, 2007

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Nintendo's trying to sell metroid to people who wouldn't normally buy Metroid. That's a good thing, right?


It makes sense (and yes it is a good thing). Metroid fans are going to buy prime 3, that's just a given. So I am all for commercials that show joe-every-gamer play the game having fun.

Sir_StabbalotAugust 24, 2007

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Seriously, how do you advertise isolationism?


Well, there would be many ways. You could use the standard "Alone behind enemy lines" line, or show the character alone surrounded by baddies, then opening up a can of whoopass.

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It makes sense (and yes it is a good thing). Metroid fans are going to buy prime 3, that's just a given. So I am all for commercials that show joe-every-gamer play the game having fun.


I gotta say you have a point there.

CalibanAugust 24, 2007

I've said it today to my friend and I will say it to you all, MP3 will sell at least 1 million copies.

UERDAugust 24, 2007

That businessman guy near the beginning has such a frightening expression, it defies words.

MashiroAugust 24, 2007

I agree Caliban, at least. I'm thinking 1.5 million copies at least TBH.

If it can sell 1.5 million copies worldwide that'd put it better than Metroid Prime 2 I think... I'm really hoping it climbs above 2 million though, that'd place it closer to the original Prime.

Luigi DudeAugust 24, 2007

Metroid Prime 2's worldwide total was 1.2 million copies, so yes, Prime 3 should be able to easily sell over 1 million copies as well. With the Wii being WAY more popular now then the Gamecube was back in 2004, I don't see any reason why Prime 3 would do worse.

mantidorAugust 25, 2007

I hate this ads and I can't wait for when they go away.

If I wasn't a metroid nut this commercial wouldn't make me buy it. It makes it look like another generic FPS with some g!mmicks here and there...

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And yes you can do an ad advertising isolationism, its just perfect, it shows you this is a game more about finding things than shooting things.

BloodworthDaniel Bloodworth, Staff AlumnusAugust 25, 2007

Honestly with the Wii being perpetually sold out, I thought the Metroid Prime Preview Channel was a brilliant move. You're not going to sell any more consoles, but with that big blue light, you can get everyone that has a Wii online to take notice.

*shrug* I guess I'm in the minority at thinking that the first Prime commercial looked like a cheap art film.

Anyways, this relatively late revealing of the commercial for Prime is quite indicative of Nintendo's marketting thoughts. As NWR pointed out, Nintendo is perfectly willing to advertise a game long after it has released, months after even. This may be fine in the view of Metroid Prime having all Holiday season to sell, and the Wii's more casual and less day-one demographics, especially seeing as how many recent Nintendo hits have had "legs"... or maybe some games are just frontloaded in sales and can't be sold over an extended period of time to a larger audience, and Metroid is one of them.

MashiroAugust 25, 2007

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If I wasn't a metroid nut this commercial wouldn't make me buy it.


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And yes you can do an ad advertising isolationism, its just perfect, it shows you this is a game more about finding things than shooting things.


I've said it before and I'll say it again:

METROID FANS WILL BUY METROID PRIME 3. We don't need more commercials playing to the audience that will ALREADY be buying the game.

Be careful there, soon they'll start making games for people who don't already play games. OH WAIT A SECOND!!!!

Above all, this is really a commercial for the Wii. Just using Metroid as the specific game this time around.

Smoke39August 25, 2007

It's a commercial for airports.

darknight06August 25, 2007

You know, that MSCF commercial is actually really fun to watch. It's makes you want to play it.

mantidorAugust 25, 2007

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If I wasn't a metroid nut this commercial wouldn't make me buy it.


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And yes you can do an ad advertising isolationism, its just perfect, it shows you this is a game more about finding things than shooting things.


I've said it before and I'll say it again:

METROID FANS WILL BUY METROID PRIME 3. We don't need more commercials playing to the audience that will ALREADY be buying the game.



And you think this commercial did it? it shows another boring FPS, probably the most hated genre among the "non-gaming" crowd. The first Prime commercial was aimed at everyone who would like a Metroid game, not just the previous fans, and specially NOT FPS fans, it showed really little action.

I initially hoped there would be lots of people ignorant enough to get the game thinking is another FPS with some g!mmicks, and thats probably what happened with the first prime, but thats only a short term benefit, these are the same kind of idiots that started the metroid/halo retarded comparison in the first place, who were expecting metroid to be like those games and who ended up being dissapointed and whiny about it, making terribly publicity and really bad word-of-mouth for the whole series in general, "too much keys", "its too hard", "it has too much backtracking" basically "it made me think and I hate that", stupid people.

This only hurts the future of metroid games more and more, this is the reason we got a game like hunters.


MashiroAugust 25, 2007

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If I wasn't a metroid nut this commercial wouldn't make me buy it.


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And yes you can do an ad advertising isolationism, its just perfect, it shows you this is a game more about finding things than shooting things.


I've said it before and I'll say it again:

METROID FANS WILL BUY METROID PRIME 3. We don't need more commercials playing to the audience that will ALREADY be buying the game.



And you think this commercial did it?


And I think this commercial did . . . what?

Appeal to a more wide audience than metroid fans? Yes.

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I initially hoped there would be lots of people ignorant enough to get the game thinking is another FPS with some g!mmicks, and thats probably what happened with the first prime, but thats only a short term benefit, these are the same kind of idiots that started the metroid/halo retarded comparison in the first place, who were expecting metroid to be like those games and who ended up being dissapointed and whiny about it, making terribly publicity and really bad word-of-mouth for the whole series in general, "too much keys", "its too hard", "it has too much backtracking" basically "it made me think and I hate that", stupid people.

This only hurts the future of metroid games more and more, this is the reason we got a game like hunters.


We got Metroid Hunters because of casual gamers?

Your points are confusing at best.

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And you think this commercial did it? it shows another boring FPS, probably the most hated genre among the "non-gaming" crowd. The first Prime commercial was aimed at everyone who would like a Metroid game, not just the previous fans, and specially NOT FPS fans, it showed really little action.


Maybe Nintendo shouldn't advertise it at all then? /confused

GoldenPhoenixAugust 25, 2007

How ANYONE can get from the new commercial that Metroid Prime 3 is just another FPS is confounding to me. If anything the commercial did the opposite, it showed an interactive experience and did not emphasize the First Person perspective but how it impacts YOU. It made the game out to be unique in how it draws you in. Really I think the argument boils down to this

Whatever Nintendo does, it isn't good enough.

This ad does several very IMPORTANT things that gamers are likely to miss, but play into Nintendo's entire strategy to try and sell the game to its unique demographics:

1. The game is being played in a public place

2. The game is being played in a well lit place

3. The game is being played with a crowd of people watching

4. The music was the same wii music uised for all the commercials up to now

All these things build up to what was probably the driving message behind the shape of this advertisement:

Intimidated by videogames like this? Don't be.

The video showed a lot of off-screen action (very important to show the wii movements, as well as to show the fun factor), it showed it being played with plenty of on-lookers for a communal shared experience(no lone gamers here), and it showed it being played in a well lit PUBLIC place(you don't need to be ashamed of playing this game, you don't need to hide in the basement). And by avoiding a musical change, not only do they have a consistent theme between this game and more friendly titles, but they avoid the typical hardcore-signifying tunes and sounds that would cause viewers to close their mind off.

This is EXACTLY the opposite of the gaming stereotype (alone, completely lost in the game, in some dark, private room). This is exactly the opposite of game ads that extoll how their games are extreme or exclusive or epic. This is...simply fun.

Now that I think about it, why they showed it in an airport: they're trying to get as far away from that isolated basement stereotype as possible. *smacks self in forehead* Genius.

Nintendo faced a problem of selling what was an intensely hardcore sci-fi shooting experience to its fanbase. This is what they came up with: don't tell them that Metroid is an epic experience. Emphasize all the ways that the Wii makes it a FRIENDLY one.

Lying? Perhaps. Creative truths? Definitely. But isn't that what ads are anyways? Don't sell them something they won't want, sell them something they will.

BloodworthDaniel Bloodworth, Staff AlumnusAugust 25, 2007

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Lying? Perhaps.


No joke. I'll certainly be playing Metroid in the dark by myself, listening to its moody sci-fi themes and reveling in the feeling of isolation.

18 DaysAugust 26, 2007

These Wii WOuld Like TO Play ads are atrocious.

mantidorAugust 26, 2007

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We got Metroid Hunters because of casual gamers?

Your points are confusing at best.


My point is that we got hunters because some people thought Prime was another FPS, and their collective whining was loud enough for Nintendo to take notice and start raping the series.

I really don't care if the ads are attacking the gamer stereotype or not, thats the least of my concerns, I only don't want that scenario to happen again, that people complain about the game not because an actual flaw but because its Metroid and does Metroid things (backtracking, difficulty, item collection, etc, etc), since Nintendo will continue changing the series from what it originally was into another generic thing.



I would also say that its too late and Metroid will never be again what it was based on my impressions of corruption, what Retro said about cutting the backtracking, visiting planets, open areas, etc, etc. But for that I better wait for the reviews and more real hands-on impressions to hear what old time metroid fans have to say about this changes.

Bill AurionAugust 26, 2007

Nostalgia has a nasty habit of not allowing people to accept change, even if it's for the better...

MashiroAugust 26, 2007

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My point is that we got hunters because some people thought Prime was another FPS, and their collective whining was loud enough for Nintendo to take notice and start raping the series.

I really don't care if the ads are attacking the gamer stereotype or not, thats the least of my concerns, I only don't want that scenario to happen again, that people complain about the game not because an actual flaw but because its Metroid and does Metroid things (backtracking, difficulty, item collection, etc, etc), since Nintendo will continue changing the series from what it originally was into another generic thing.


See the whole "people complained and thus hunters happened" statement doesn't hold much water because well hunters isn't a main stay in the series first of all. Secondly, what massive complaining and whining are you talking about? Prime got rave reviews across the board. It was one of the best selling games on the Gamecube. This complaining and negativity you speak of, I just never saw it or heard about it.

I mean would you say Metroid Prime Pinball was a result of complaining and whining as well? No, it was a result of them just doing something different with the series.

We'll see what happens with Prime 3 tomorrow but I don't have any doubts in my mind that it won't be an awesome metroid experience.

Edit: Bill sums it up nicely actually:

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Nostalgia has a nasty habit of not allowing people to accept change, even if it's for the better...


Well said Bill, well said.

mantidorAugust 26, 2007

The thing is, games like Metroid are very, very rare. If there was some oversaturation of these type of games in the market you may have a point, but the only other game who emulates (and not that well) the metroid formula is castlevania, I'm only asking for more because there isn't really a lot of it.

The problem isn't related to the status of hunters as a main stay of the metroid series, is related to the fact that the DS hasn't seen a real Metroid game and there's no hope for the near or even distant future. At this point Mario and Zelda already have great games, but not Metroid, and theres no plans for it, I would love to see what a touch screen would bring to a real Metroid game, but apparently Nintendo doesn't want to do it.

And the even funnier thing is, I have no nostalgia for metroid, my first metroid game was Prime, and I played Super Metroid around the same time, and it blew me away like few games have done it, it had nothing to do with some past experience when I was younger.

You do have a point, with or without complains pinball and hunters would have probably happened, its just that... the whole situation just pisses me off.

MashiroAugust 26, 2007

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The problem isn't related to the status of hunters as a main stay of the metroid series, is related to the fact that the DS hasn't seen a real Metroid game and there's no hope for the near or even distant future.


But why do you think there is no hope?

Just because a more traditional metroid game hasn't been announced for DS doesn't mean it won't happen.

How much has Nintendo really shown us about its 2008 line up? Little to nothing, so I wouldn't give up hope just yet.

Smoke39August 26, 2007

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Nostalgia has a nasty habit of not allowing people to accept change, even if it's for the better...

Sometimes. But sometimes "changes for the better" are really just changes for a different audience, in which case "nostalgia" is just an excuse to ignore the old audience's opinions.

Not saying this is necessarily the case with Prime 3 since the game isn't even out yet. It's just that I've seen the nostalgia argument thrown around unfairly before, which bothers me.

Bill AurionAugust 26, 2007

"Sometimes. But sometimes "changes for the better" are really just changes for a different audience, in which case "nostalgia" is just an excuse to ignore the old audience's opinions."

I think my scenario is more likely considering the positive impressions so far, which is why I brought up the "nostalgia factor" in the first place... =)

Who decides what's "better?"

MashiroAugust 26, 2007

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Who decides what's "better?"


You do.

Okay...hmmmm....

*Rating Pending*

MashiroAugust 26, 2007

::glee:: just 14 hours away from me getting the game and playing it can't wait!

GoldenPhoenixAugust 26, 2007

I want to know why Mantidor cares about how MP3 is handled, he already said he was disappointed in the game back months ago.

CericAugust 26, 2007

I probably missed some comments but I just saw this. I just wanted to say I like the commercial but it would have been cool to see Samus at the controls at the end of the commercial.

UERDAugust 26, 2007

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I want to know why Mantidor cares about how MP3 is handled, he already said he was disappointed in the game back months ago.


Because it's been confirmed that the game will suck. Duh, you said it yourself.

MarioAugust 26, 2007

Metroid Pinball is a fantastic game the world would be worse off without, the end. And guys, the best way to deal with Ian is to ignore him, 1 Ian post is better than 5.

When did Ian come into this?

MashiroAugust 26, 2007

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When did Ian come into this?


Ok good . . . I thought I missed something lol.

that Baby guyAugust 26, 2007

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Metroid Pinball is a fantastic game the world would be worse off without, the end. And guys, the best way to deal with Ian is to ignore him, 1 Ian post is better than 5.


For the record, Ian's right a lot more than we give him credit for. There's nothing wrong with having and sharing an opinion with others.

Except when you're wrong. Haha j/k we love you Ian and Svevan!

GoldenPhoenixAugust 26, 2007

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Metroid Pinball is a fantastic game the world would be worse off without, the end. And guys, the best way to deal with Ian is to ignore him, 1 Ian post is better than 5.


For the record, Ian's right a lot more than we give him credit for. There's nothing wrong with having and sharing an opinion with others.


And what would he be right about? Personally I think people find Ian's super negative outlook about Nintendo to get tiresome, everything Nintendo is doing is wrong. The Wii name was going to destroy them, the Wii was going to be a bomb, Nintendo doesn't know what they are doing, etc etc. Just like someone who is always positive or nearly so, someone that is always negative, never giving any credit where it is due, makes their opinion much harder to swallo.

Good grief.

ANYWAYS!!!

Anyone anticipate Nintendo running this commercial all the way up 'till Christmas?

GoldenPhoenixAugust 26, 2007

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Good grief.

ANYWAYS!!!

Anyone anticipate Nintendo running this commercial all the way up 'till Christmas?


I want to talk about Ian, stop derailing this.

MashiroAugust 27, 2007

I anticipate a trisect commercial with Galaxy, Prime and Smash . . . face-icon-small-wink.gif

StogiAugust 27, 2007

Mmmmm

Brownies and ice cream...

that Baby guyAugust 27, 2007

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Metroid Pinball is a fantastic game the world would be worse off without, the end. And guys, the best way to deal with Ian is to ignore him, 1 Ian post is better than 5.


For the record, Ian's right a lot more than we give him credit for. There's nothing wrong with having and sharing an opinion with others.


And what would he be right about? Personally I think people find Ian's super negative outlook about Nintendo to get tiresome, everything Nintendo is doing is wrong. The Wii name was going to destroy them, the Wii was going to be a bomb, Nintendo doesn't know what they are doing, etc etc. Just like someone who is always positive or nearly so, someone that is always negative, never giving any credit where it is due, makes their opinion much harder to swallo.


Ian was right that hardcore gamers would become even more alienated with Nintendo's new strategies. He was right that a whole lot that the Wii had to offer was minigames. He's right that Nintendo needs to do something to shake the images it's made with longstanding gamers at this point in time. He's said several times that Nintendo is the only viable option for this coming generation, too. I mean, do you want an in-depth fifteen page report on Ian's posts? He's an intelligent guy who has strong opinions. We might disagree a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean his posts are invalid in any way. Ian just cares about the industry and doesn't want another crash or anything destructive to happen to it, and he also cares about traditional gaming.

Bill AurionAugust 27, 2007

I think everyone is kind of sick of having to point out the ratio of "traditional games" to "casual mini-gamer games," and how this supposed focus to the non-gamer is over-exaggerated...

Super Mario Galaxy is focused on making controls more intuitive so more people will play...The same applies to Prime 3...Are you going to say that these are now suddenly non-games just because they try to pull everyone in?

Now let's look at the rest of the Wii games coming out this year...Battalion Wars II, Endless Ocean, Super Smash Brothers Brawl...So all in all I count FOUR traditional games to ONE non-gamer game...I can just smell the extreme focus on non-games! The reason why there's a supposed "focus" on non-games is because Ninty knows they don't have to advertise for the traditional gamer...If they make awesome games then people will buy them...It's the non-gamer that needs to be thrown in the fold, and that's why there is so much media coverage of them, giving the illusion that there are more than there actually are...

that Baby guyAugust 27, 2007

Well, I'll be honest, I'm don't think it's Nintendo's fault. All three systems have been in a drought, IMO, and Nintendo's been supplying just as many quality games as ever. However, the third parties make me sick. Several have decided to make Brain Age mimics for the DS and Wii that don't have the polish that Nintendo's products do. The Wii was supposed to be the perfect console machine for an FPS, yet the 360 has seen more. Why?

That's the problem. Developers over stereotype Nintendo machines, and in return, the consumer does, too. It's retarded. I think Nintendo is giving us more great titles than ever. It's the third parties that are lacking. Nintendo shouldn't be supporting the system on their own, which is how this generation has practically started in comparison to the 360, Xbox, or PS2.

MashiroAugust 27, 2007

Nintendo has been supporting themselves since the N64 days face-icon-small-wink.gif

that Baby guyAugust 27, 2007

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Nintendo has been supporting themselves since the N64 days face-icon-small-wink.gif


Nintendo also has been underselling its competitiors since the N64 days.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 27, 2007

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Metroid Pinball is a fantastic game the world would be worse off without, the end. And guys, the best way to deal with Ian is to ignore him, 1 Ian post is better than 5.


For the record, Ian's right a lot more than we give him credit for. There's nothing wrong with having and sharing an opinion with others.


And what would he be right about? Personally I think people find Ian's super negative outlook about Nintendo to get tiresome, everything Nintendo is doing is wrong. The Wii name was going to destroy them, the Wii was going to be a bomb, Nintendo doesn't know what they are doing, etc etc. Just like someone who is always positive or nearly so, someone that is always negative, never giving any credit where it is due, makes their opinion much harder to swallo.


Ian was right that hardcore gamers would become even more alienated with Nintendo's new strategies. He was right that a whole lot that the Wii had to offer was minigames. He's right that Nintendo needs to do something to shake the images it's made with longstanding gamers at this point in time. He's said several times that Nintendo is the only viable option for this coming generation, too. I mean, do you want an in-depth fifteen page report on Ian's posts? He's an intelligent guy who has strong opinions. We might disagree a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean his posts are invalid in any way. Ian just cares about the industry and doesn't want another crash or anything destructive to happen to it, and he also cares about traditional gaming.


THe thing is that NIntendo has shaken their image for the most part, and yet Ian fails to admit that. The alienating of hardcore gamers is a load of crap to be honest, yes there are a few people here and elsewhere who don't like games like Wiisports but there are many of us that do. Let's see what Ian has been wrong about shall we?

-The Wii name was going to harm the Wii big time
-The Wii controller would hurt gaming
-Nintendo doesn't know how to market themselves and Blue Ocean would be a failure
-Whining and complaining about Wii controls before he even played it
-Doomsday is just around the corner for Wii
-Funny you bring up Ian not wanting another industry crash because that is an area he is wrong about, if it wasn't for the Wii and its "casual" lineup we may have very well seen a crash with the market get saturated with FPS and other so-called hardcore games. The gaming market was starting to shrink.
-Ian is constantly negative, never admitting that Nintendo has done many things right this time around and has never admitted he was wrong. That IMO is perhaps the most important thing.

This is my personal favorite quote from Ian about the Wii

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Well the weak support issue still applies. Though often with the small things the screwup affects me so I express my displeasure in it. I mentioned I wrote an email to Nintendo about the first Cube demo disc. What pissed me off about it was that I personally could not obtain a copy "officially" because I already had a Cube and for some reason Nintendo decided that only new Cube owners should get the demo disc. A lot of the small screwups on the Cube directly affected Cube owners so it made sense to complain about them.

Thinking about the Rev now it's like this whole time I've been thinking "if I was in charge of NOA how would I salvage this?" First there's the non-gamer focus designed to address an issue in Japan that doesn't apply to North America, then there's the weird controller, then there's no HD, then there's the weak hardware specs, and now there's the worst name every used for a videogame system ever. There's just been so many huge "I don't know about that" stuff revealed about the Wii. There's been some great things too but there is way too much "iffy" stuff here.

Though I'm probably more interested in E3 now. The Rev has become so weird that I can't help but pay attention to it. It's like even if it totally crashes and burns it will interesting to watch in a car wreck sort of way.

that Baby guyAugust 27, 2007

So what, he's been wrong before. I've been wrong several times. You've been wrong, too. He's right about the demo disc there. I really wanted one. Maybe it would have convinced me to try out Billy Hatcher. As a current Cube owner, I had no way to own one, and that made me mad. He was wrong about the middle stuff. And let's see. How many analysts predicted further 3rd place Nintendo finishes. Some still do.

Ian has admitted that Nintendo has done some things right. He's said that he prefers things the Nintendo way by far over the other two. Nintendo's certainly had a very poor advertising history, sending mixed messages as to who a game's intended audience is. They've promoted the young people aspect, and until recently didn't include anyone that looked like an adult in their adds. You've just picked on the guy so much that he's an automatic target now, just because you don't like his history, and that's not right.

Additionally, I think that had Nintendo failed at widespread market penetration this time, the crash would have occurred pretty soon. But here's the thing. I think a decent proportion of older Nintendo fans probably agreed. And that's why the Wii was scary for some: Had it crashed, what would have happened to video games? I think, though I don't want to put words in his mouth, that his concerns often fell into this line.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 27, 2007

The difference is that I"ve admitted I've been wrong, Ian doesn't, in fact he makes excuses over and over again about why he isn't (For example saying Blue Ocean is not a good strategy). Ian has constantly been negative, you would be hard pressed to find much positive he has to say about Nintendo, thankfully the majority of Nintendo fans have learned to accept and even embrace some gaming variety.

that Baby guyAugust 27, 2007

So? You're not letting old things go. That's just as bad as not admitting you're wrong. When things come to pass, does it really matter who was wrong or who was right? It only does if you dwell on it. Why can't we just go on and let people give their opinions without the obscenely huge amounts of ridicule carrying over from thread to thread to thread. Sure, if you disagree with something someone says on one issue, say something about it, but once you're out of the thread, what good does it do to carry that dispute over? It's senseless and pointless, if you ask me.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 27, 2007

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So? You're not letting old things go. That's just as bad as not admitting you're wrong. When things come to pass, does it really matter who was wrong or who was right? It only does if you dwell on it. Why can't we just go on and let people give their opinions without the obscenely huge amounts of ridicule carrying over from thread to thread to thread. Sure, if you disagree with something someone says on one issue, say something about it, but once you're out of the thread, what good does it do to carry that dispute over? It's senseless and pointless, if you ask me.


It is hard to ignore where it is the same complaining and the person doesn't have the guts to admit when they are wrong. Ian is still doing the same things today so it isn't like it is only in the past. You want the truth? I do respect Ian, but I have trouble taking many of his opinions seriously because he never faces up to them. It is like these goofy end of the world nuts, and when the world doesn't end within their time frame you don't hear anything about it, and or they make another end of the world prediction.

At least to Ian's credit, he isn't having his followers drink poisoned kool aid to go to the heavenly body that holds all things pure and true about traditional gaming. Regardless we all need a forum whipping boy and Ian is that person, with Pittbboi as only the part time whipping boy. If we didn't have them, we'd have to pick on Kairon or someone like that, or even YOU.

NinGurl69 *hugglesAugust 27, 2007

WTF

is this "Dead of Superman, starring Ian" and he split up and reincarnated into you guys?

ShyGuyAugust 27, 2007

Ian > Star Trek.



CONFIRMED

GoldenPhoenixAugust 27, 2007

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
WTF

is this "Dead of Superman, starring Ian" and he split up and reincarnated into you guys?


I didn't start it!

NinGurl69 *hugglesAugust 27, 2007

lawl i said "dead" of superman.

GoldenPhoenixAugust 27, 2007

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lawl i said "dead" of superman.


See I thought you were being witty or something, so now that I know that it is a typo I am face-icon-small-sad.gif

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