[Jonny] I'm still reading Kohler's blog

[Bloodworth] just finished Rick's

[Mike S.] hey guys, are wii all here laffo

[Ty] here's my blog

[Bloodworth] I need to change the forums

[Mike S.] did you guys read the Atwood and Perrin interviews? they are basically the exact same interview, with the same canned responses

[Ty] My life is a perpetual flashing toilet

[Mike S.] my blog post on it is titled "You've got to be kidding mee"

[Karl] I told my brother about it, and he laughed for like five minutes.

[Mike S.] er, mii

[Karl] I thought the line had gotten disconnected.

[Ty] i'm going to kill myself or play dreamcast, i'm not sure which, bbl

[Mike S.] i told u i was hardcore

[Mike S.] it's already growing on me, to be fair. I'm still not sure I like it, but I don't think I hate it anymore

[Bloodworth] forums updated

[Bloodworth] looks freaking weird

[Bloodworth] http//www.planetgamecube.com/forums/index.cfm

[Jonny] I changed the system profile to "Nintendo Wii Revolution"

[Jeff] the internet is full of sound and fury right now, but in the end it will signify nothing. The mental patients have today for their jokes, but tomorrow people will still be repulsed by their idiocy.

[Bloodworth] There's no Nintendo in the name though

[Mike S.] that's big, and I like that a lot about it

[Jonny] Yeah, well there are two exclamation marks in "Double Dash!!"

[Jonny] And I don't care about that either.

[Mike S.] best way to shake the "Nintendo" image is to ditch the name "Nintendo"

[Brendan] I like that alot, not having Nintendo... it will really let the Wii brand stand on its own.

[Aaron] somebody'll have to change the RVN filter to WII too

[Bloodworth] hey, no abbreviation

[Jonny] looks like a war

[Mike S.] the same goes for Microsoft "Xbox." They're no "Microsoft" in that title, they don't want the brand equity associated with Microsoft in their name, because it's poor

[Bloodworth] like nintendo said

[Jonny] oh fun

[Brendan] Xbox == Nintendo == PlayStation.

[Aaron] actually, they always make sure they have Microsoft in games press releases

[Aaron] as well as "blah blah super extreme entertainment system et al" after it

[Bloodworth] Oh yeah, like PSP System

[Jonny] I think it's funny that Wii is being compared to iPod and Google.

[Mike S.] yes but it's not the "Microsoft Xbox" it's more like "Xbox... from Microsoft"

[Aaron] yeah that comparison isn't really relevant

[Mike S.] it's half-relevent

[Bloodworth] the problem isn't that it sounds weird

[Jonny] oh the best is Virgin

[Aaron] right idea, but the execution matters more than they'll admit

[Bloodworth] it's that it sounds like a bunch of other things

[Karl] It's hard to pronounce at first, too.

[Bloodworth] and even they started the puns

[Zosha] SIEMENS is worse

[Karl] Before I saw that it's "Wee," I thought "Why" and "Whi" and so on.

[Aaron] yeah, but that's a name

[Jonny] Yes, Siemens is terrible but at least it's probably someone's real name.

[Jeff] Who cares?

[Aaron] this they just made up

[Karl] I had a Siemens keychain.

[Karl] Good icebreaker for conversation.

[Bloodworth] The pronunciation is a good point

[Zosha] it still sounds terrible

[Mike S.] it's a nonsensical word, which is good because Nintendo can define it like iPod. However, it has a connotation already, because it sounds like a pronoun. Amazon is already a word, but we don't use it in everyday conversation, so it's sort of "safe" in that regard.

[Bloodworth] people that aren't familiar with other languages won't get it as easily

[Jeff] Kleenex is made up

[Aaron] I'm sure Wii makes more sense in Japan, but not here

[Aaron] especially after Intel already launched their Viiv platform... long i instead of long e

[Aaron] just shift the v over a bit...

[Mike S.] and now, Amazon is more used as the website and less used as the river. Wii will never be used more than "we"

[Jonny] Here's my thesis statement The standard for console names is not high. Most are not great. But that's all you need. A system name just needs to not suck hard. Wii fails even that low requirement.

[Karl] I dunno, my big problem with it is that it just doesn't sound natural. Like, I don't see myself going to a GameStop, and when they ask me what platform I want my game on, saying "Wii, please." It's an odd thing to say, just in the context of conversation.

[Jeff] It's funny to read the names of people who have a problem with Wii.

[Jonny] Can you imagine how we're going to have conversations about Wii at E3?

[Bloodworth] Yeah, the logo actually looks pretty good, it just sounds awful

[Jeff] At Wii3?

[Zosha] in the end, people will call it 'Nintendo'

[Karl] "Help me find Wii!"

[Jonny] It's synonymous with a pronoun. Incredibly confusing in certain situations.

[Mike S.] the logo is fantastic

[Karl] I really like that logo, actually.

[Zosha] if they want to refer to DS or GB, they'll say as such

[Mike S.] hey guys we are all going to play wii

[Karl] The video was really cool, too.

[Brendan] In the long run... I don't think there will be problems. The product will define the brandname. If the Wii is cool, fun and something very new to video games, then Wii will be defined as that... now "we" or anything else.

[Aaron] but really, if you have to explain the name, you know there's something wrong... the console itself was supposed to be about not needing anything explained, it was supposed to fit naturally... this does not

[Mike S.] Wii is not bad in conversation IF you already know what it means. If you hear it being used as a noun you'll understand it. But that IF is a BIG BIG IF.

[Jonny] In three years, I see myself calling this thing "Nintendo" or even "Revolution".

[Mike S.] Apple had to explain "iPod"

[Brendan] I got the Wii "we" connection without explanation. Though that was mostly due to the annimation.

[Karl] But there's logic behind iPod.

[Aaron] at least it's a "pod"

[Karl] There is almost no logic to Wii.

[Mike S.] iPod didn't have a connotation already, so the battle is tougher for Nintendo, but the point is that you CAN define a word that doesn't exist

[Jonny] Mega, I think you really hit the nail there.

[Bloodworth] I don't think they will actually explain it to people regularly

[Jeff] A Rose by any other name...

[Karl] Still has thorns.

[Bloodworth] They explained it today because, they'd have to no matter what they called it

[Jonny] Now, Nintendo not only has to explain how the console works but also what the name means and even how to say it.

[Aaron] the i animations are cute, but will the ads really be widespread enough that everyone will associate the name in that manner?

[Mike S.] is it really not obvious that it's pronounced like that? It seemed obvious to me

[Karl] I imagine Reggie will find a way to make it sound alright, but what about the rest of us?

[Karl] Our name-taking skills are not as .

[Jonny] Well, most of the people who currently like the name say they like it because they understand the reasoning behind it. Without the explanation we got today, how many people would still like it?

[Jeff] And it's good that they released the name now. Because at E3 if they showed an OMGWTFBBQ game that game everybody excited, and THEN said the same, thier efforts would be overshadowed by the "OMG WEE LOLOL LIKE URINE, 6th Grade is fun."

[Brendan] I like th elogo.

[Mike S.] no I mean the first time I saw the three letters "wii" i knew how to pronounce it. That's just HOW that word is pronounced.

[Jonny]
[Jeff], no argument there.

[Aaron] no Obi, it looks too much like Wifi, something Nintendo's already touted

[Jeff] I bet Wikipedia likes it.

[Karl] I would've liked it better if they called it WiFi.

[Jonny] But when you anticipate fallout over an issue that you have complete control over, maybe you should rethink the decision.

[Karl] Exactly.

[Karl] Why *not* make it normal when you can?

[Jeff] There would be fallout no matter what name they chose.

[Aaron] and they said this was a committee design

[Karl] I don't think that's true, Deg.

[Jonny] Especially when the fallout will not just be localized to the hardcore gamers, because I expect that casual gamers and non-gamers will also have at least a puzzled reaction, if not the snickering we've seen today.

[Jeff] I definitely know it is true.

[Brendan] My mom thouhgt it was a good name.

[Karl] And even if it were, the fallout would've been less extreme. I mean, something more regular, more native to someone's speech patterns; that might not have been so hard to accept.

[Mike S.] they don't want normal. Nintendo wants different. They want to shake everything you think about videogames, including the nomenclature.

[Aaron] I just think it's just Nintendo arrogance of old... whatever they decide, the consumers will have to take

[Jeff] "We" isn't native to your speech patterns?

[Karl] I just don't understand why the name needs to be off-the-wall.

[Jonny] You know, "Revolution" or some slight variant is a widely understood word in pretty much all Western countries.

[Karl] Wii isn't.

[Jonny] At least Romantic languages

[Mike S.] "Revolution" is not fun to pronounce in Japanese

[Mike S.] "levorution" really?

[Jeff] Then by all means, don't put up with it. Make an internet petition. I'm sure that'll work.

[Aaron] Obi, I agree, but I think they could have accomplished that with a word not having so many negative connotations

[Jonny] That's fine, then the Japanese can have a different name for the system.

[Jonny] I don't see the big problem there.

[Aaron] yeah, it wouldn't be the first time

[Mike S.] does "wii" really have "so many" negative connotations?

[Karl] I'm not here to say that I'm not buying the console because of the name, and I'll get used to it, but what I don't understand is why the name needs to be so off-beat when the console's mechanics are already so unique.

[Bloodworth] obi there's no l in japanese

[Aaron] well at least not so easily made fun of and not so confusing

[Jonny] It has some negative connotations, but the more severe problem is that it has no meaning whatsoever.

[Bloodworth] that's just bad translating

[Mike S.] Nintendo wants an image, and they are a global company. The days of different names for different systems are over. It's just NOT possible to do that anymore with the way the world works

[Bloodworth] the sound is just different from our R

[Jeff] No meaning is a good thing.

[Mike S.] either way, the Japanese don't know what "revolution" means, it's not their word.

[Bloodworth] It's pronounced more like Reboryushen

[Jonny] Xbox = some kind of box that presumably plays games, PlayStation = some kind of box that presumably plays games, GameCube = some kind of box that presumably plays games

[Mike S.] it has no meaning over there, it's as meaningless as "Xbox"

[Ty] RUBOLOTION

[Mike S.] Xbox means NOTHING, it's all image

[Jonny] Nintendo 64 worked only because "Nintendo" was completely permeated in our culture at the time

[Karl] I always assumed it meant Xtreme Box.

[Aaron] but Xbox is still like iPod... there's some meaning

[Karl] Maybe that's wrong.

[Brendan]
[Karl], they wan't the strengthen the "off-beat" nature of the console... not make it seem like another PS#/Xbox #/Nintendo ##... Its just Wii.

[Jonny] at the very least, Xbox and iPod indicate some kind of physical device

[Aaron] and I don't think you're giving the Japanese enough credit about what English words they know

[Karl] I suppose.

[Jeff] MY Screenname is from a ZZtop album.

[Stan] sorry I'm late to the party

[Brendan] Wii is an experience.

[Stan] I just found out the bad news

[Mike S.] what's the meaning of Xbox? The only meaning in Xbox is what Microsoft gave it.

[Jeff] His is a funny way to say a condition where a penis is erect for weeks.

[Jonny] Yeah Deg, ever had someone mispronounce your screenname?

[Stan] I don't even know how you pronounce Wii, yet

[Karl] Like I said, I'll get used to it.

[Stan] I just learned the news

[Stan] is it Wee!?

[Karl] "Wee."

[Stan] ugh

[Karl] Yeah.

[Aaron] it's a box, and devices commonly have a random letter in front of them

[Jeff] Yeah, but that's when I don't care at all.

[Stan] Nintendo Wee

[Stan] har har

[Mike S.] it's a box. so? Fridges come in boxes

[Mike S.] and things from Amazon, they come in boxes

[Bloodworth] I just showed it to a casual gamer roommate - totally couldn't figure out how to say it

[Stan] Wee. . .

[Mike S.] Xbox is crafted from the ground up

[Mike S.] the name I mean

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[Ty] changes topic to 'lower-case-i sure is trendy'

[Aaron] but that's part of the beauty of it... what could be inside the box? mysterious X

[Jonny] Anecdotal evidence is going to pile up as E3 approaches, most of if bad I expect.

[Bloodworth] he also said it looked like Pixar + iPod

[Mike S.] the X is there to make it "extreme"

[Stan] so what's the concensus on Wee?

[Stan] i mean

[Jeff] So are dashes in between each Caiptal Letter Ty. OH SNAP

[Stan] Wii

[Mike S.] Xbox says "this is something, and it is extreme" that's it

[Ty] SNAP.

[Jonny] the X in Xbox refers to Direct X

[Aaron] and Wii is the opposite, it sounds like Weak

[Mike S.] the ONLY reason "iPod" has meaning is because "iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, etc..." all came before it. The "lowercase-i capital-letter" already meant something when iPod came out. It means "my"

[Bloodworth] well, at least Wee, as in small, makes sense

[Stan] it sounds like a lot of negative things Mega

[Brendan] You have to admit, Nintendo is really breaking from the pattern of past console names. In a way, it makes the product seem much more fresh and new than Xbox ###, PlayStation #, or Nintendo ##. It totally breaks from the previous consoles Nintendo has named.

[Jeff] the inevitability of the situation will take a moment to sink in.

[Mike S.] iMac

[Jeff] YEah, maybe they could have named it Adjective-Noun Number

[Jonny]
[Brendan], Revolution would have done the same.

[Mike S.] I mean, there was a slew of iProducts before iPod

[Stan] Revolution was an excellent name

[Mike S.] but Apple crafted that from the ground up

[Stan] Wii sounds so stupid

[Jonny] and Revolution is easy to shorten to "Rev", which shouldn't be too hard to pronounce in Japanese, right?

[Jonny] BUT ABBREVIATIONS ARE EVIL

[Bloodworth] Rebu

[Jonny] LIKE FEMA

[Mike S.] It still means nothing to the Japanese

[Vincent] hey hey what's going on in these here internets

[Jeff] And the futility of argument will be made clear. No Nazi's head will be bullet-free because of the console's title.

[Bloodworth] dude, so many game boxes are in English

[Jeff] And mean hell check out that guys name. Get a room DBZ Dork D

[Vincent]

[Bloodworth] don't give me that they won't understand

[Mike S.] I think the name "Wii" is alright. It's edgy in the marketing sense at least. What I'm really worried about is Nintendo's ability to convey it to the public. If they can do that it doesn't really matter WHAT they call it.

[Brendan] Johnny, I always thought naming your product "Revolution" was a wee bit pretentious.

[Jonny] Well it's absurd to sit here and say that the name is irrelevant. If the name wasn't important, Nintendo wouldn't have taken a year to come up with it, and they wouldn't be pushing it like they are and will have to do indefinitely.

[Stan] you're not going to sell Wii to the Madden player

[Stan] and the Madden player is who buys all those damn PS2s and XBoxs

[Jeff] But this does give us an opportunity to register Palnetwii.com for our new site.

[Stan] Hahahaha

[Vincent] I hope they weren't mulling over Wii for a year. Yet I wonder what kind of other names they came up with

[Jonny] We are absolutely not going to become PlanetWii. That's on record.

[Mike S.] the name is important. It's carefully crafted. The urine jokes will go away, and they won't exist much outside of the internet to begin with. Rational people don't make pee jokes in public.

[Brendan] Plus, Wii is kinda femenine... which I think is Nintendo's intention to emphasise the family-friendly natiure of the priduct. Certainly is a polar opposite to 0/PS3.

[Karl] You know, after thinking it over, the whole thing kind of reminds me of TGS when we found out about the controller. I was as confused as any other gamer out there, but as I learned more about it, I came around and now I'm really looking forward to it. They told us that we'd need to give the concept time, and that eventually, we'd be able to understand it. I think, maybe, the Wii is the same way. It sounds stupid and completely random

[Jeff] Well, that's a shame

[Stan] the Lamecube jokes haven't gone away

[Stan] Wii is 0 times worse

[Aaron] I don't think they can convey it... their marketing hasn't been very good in recent years when it comes to conveying things, as of right now it doesn't look like they would be able to make the shift, being in damage control mode before even announcing the name

[Mike S.]
[Karl], that's a very good point

[Jeff] Neither has Gaystation or ButtSexBox

[Mike S.] The "lamecube" jokes don't exist outside of the core gamer culture

[Mike S.] the core gamer already knows if he's buying this thing or not

[Bloodworth] really, it's the pitch of the sound too

[Jonny] There's a big difference between introducing a new controller concept and a name.

[Jeff] The Internet is not the entire public

[Bloodworth] Vaio doesn't sound like whining

[Mike S.] there's no point in marketing to a guy who made up his mind months ago

[Bloodworth] and it's on a similar level

[Aaron] yeah
[Karl], I just don't think it's the same though, Wii as a concept is not tangible like the Rev controller

[Karl] Perhaps, but maybe there's a meaning to it that we're not aware of yet.

[Jonny] The controller takes a while to sink in, but eventually it does because there's a gaming logic to it. There is no gaming logic to Wii.

[Karl] All I'm saying is that we need to give it time to sit so that we can look at it with a clear opinion.

[Stan] You don't name your kid Talbert, you don't name your console Wii

[Karl] Hehe.

[Jonny] Eventually everyone will have a chance to pick up the controller and see that it's awesome. You can't do that with Wii.

[Mike S.] The logic hasn't arrived yet. It will, it's Nintendo's job to give Wii meaning.

[Jeff] FERGUSON

[Jonny] All you can do with a name is pound it into the consumer's head until he becomes numb to its absurdity.

[Karl] Oh yeah, I'm with you there. It's on Nintendo to sell this thing.

[Stan] that was my grandad's name, Deg. Talbert Ferguson

[Mike S.] well if they pick up the controller and see that it is awesome, do you think they're going to change their mind based on the name?

[Stan] poor bastard

[Jonny] But as we've seen over the years, Nintendo does not have that kind of marketing muscle.

[Aaron] and then there's "By letting the gaming community vent now about the name, they will be less distracted as launch titles for the system are announced and initial reports about what it's like to play the games begin to come in." - Perrin Kaplan ... if the name was critical to an unannounced function, they'd save it for E3, I'd think

[Vincent] The sad thing is they created an uphill battle for themselves. At least with Revolution they were on solid ground

[Karl] One thing I am very worried about, though...

[Stan] think about the field day MS and Sony marketers will have with Wii

[Brendan]
[Jonny], they do know. *Points to Reggie*

[Mike S.] My girlfriend says she likes the game. She just told me that "it's not macho and inapproachable"

[Karl] Is that games will start using the Wii initials.

[Mike S.] blue ocean for the win

[Bloodworth] yeah, the Madden news was completely squashed by Wii

[Vincent] Mawiio

[Stan] HAHAH

[Mike S.] also, I like the fact that "revmote" is now "wiimote" it sounds like a kid saying "remote"

[Jonny] I was starting to be very impressed at the Revolution hype train being driven by these cool game announcements.

[Stan] Luwiige

[Aaron] I wonder if there'll be a "Mii" down the road

[Jeff] You guys keep repeated the name like you want it ingrained in your cerebrums.

[Stan] Luwiigi

[Stan] oops

[Vincent] Haha

[Aaron] instead of "My Nintendo" or something

[Jonny] I can't help but think half the intention behind this name is "any publicity is good publicity".

[Stan] my roommate hit me with the news as I came through the door

[Stan] I wanted to punch him

[Aaron] yeah, and that's never really worked for them before

silks it's so off-the-wall that people are going to talk about it

[Karl] Well, it certainly has everyone talking.

[Mike S.] "Mii" would actually be a GREAT name for a handheld, in all honestly, as long as "Wii" works and people understand it, "Mii" would be a simple change much like how iPod is derived from iMac, people get it already

[Jeff] About nothing at all

[Vincent] If they did it just for publicity they could just be like "LOL APRIL FOOL'S"

[Mike S.] then you've got a cohesive product line

[Stan] seriously, who here actually thinks Nintendo can successfully market anything with the name "Wii" the the American audience?

[Jonny] "Hey guys, I'll see you later. I'm going to my room to play with Mii."

[Karl] I think maybe the intended reaction was for everyone to be confused, just to stir up conversation. Unfortunately, the confusion was more hostile than it was... confused.

[Aaron] what was the deal with changing from StarCube to GameCube, was StarCube ever announced officially?

[Mike S.] If Nintendo annouced today that they were going to name the system the "Funbox" or "Nintendo 5" or whatever, do you think we've even be having this roundtable?

[Brendan] You got to give credit to the very modern looking Wii logo.

[Stan] i'm not confused, I'm strictly hostile

silks people are like "Here we go, Nintendo is totally out of touch with the rest of the world as usual"

[Karl] Again, yeah, I love the logo.

[Vincent] I think it was supposed to MB

[Jonny] StarCube may or may not have been a working title at some point, but it was never announced by Nintendo.

[Jonny] Officially, that system went from Dolphin one day to GameCube the next.

[Aaron] okay, so Wii is probably pretty set then

[Jonny] Hell, "Dolphin" would be a much better name than "Wii".

[Stan] agreed

[Jeff] And that definitely means something.

[Karl] Eh... I dunno about that,
[Jonny].

[Stan] this saddens me

[Brendan] The logo will go a long way to getting people used to the name.

[Jonny] What is so great about this logo?

silks "Wii" may be semi-acceptable in Japan, but in the US they're a lot less tolerant

[Karl] I'd rather have a nonsense word that sounds weird than something compeltely ridiculous that *is* a real word.

[Mike S.] Think of the real world. They aren't dealing with a change from "revolution" to "wii." They will know it as Wii from day 1. Do you think they think it is as bad as some of us do?

silks I mean, the Japanese loved a console called "PC Engine" for crying out loud

[Jeff] I forget the point wWind Waker didn't work out in the end as far as marketing goes.

[Jeff] There are still many people who hate it for the graphics.

[Jeff] Twilight Princess doesn't look the way it does because Nintendo likes to mix it up...

[Jeff] LOL copy pasted outt nowhere

[Brendan] Its small, clean, and puts the two WiiMotes in there.

[Mike S.] Regarding the logo, the font and coloring, they are very reminiscent of Apple.

[Jeff] Didn't mean that lol

[Bloodworth] I have a clean logo to replace
[Karl]ie's

[Stan] i still haven't seen the logo

[Mike S.] check out revolution.nintendo.com, it'll explain

[Brendan] http//revolution.nintendo.com/

[Mike S.] One thing that sucks for Nintendo, Wii.com is taken, and has been since 94

[Mike S.] it's going nowhere. The site is hammered right now, obviously because people are going to it thinking that it is Nintendo related

silks they'll come up with some slogan incorporating Wii

[Vincent] They got nintendowii.com

[Vincent] Or I think they did /

[Jeff] The title is meaningless. It isn't the Rape-your-mother box.

[Jonny] Nintendo has basically just changed the spelling of a pronoun. They might as well have called it "Yoo". Or "Hee".

[Stan] I'll just call it Nintendo

[Vincent] But it's not about Yoo or Hee. It's about Wii.

[Aaron] the ISP I worked for had their logo redesigned to incorporate i's just like Wii... in this case it also had to be explained and people reacted to it poorly but unlike this case it was just the logo and not the actual name

[Stan] Wii are family

silks Really though, this type of marketing seems to be the rage now. Look at Intel, with VIIV and Lenovo, words that mean nothing

[Brendan] The only problem I have with the name is its pronanciation is a little awkward... but I'll bet NOA clears that up in their advertising with an official voiceover that makes it sound pretty cool. Good VO people can make anything sound good.

[Vincent] I don't know if there are any voices that could make it sound cool

[Stan] a deep voiced guy

[Stan] saying

[Aaron] yeah silks, but VIIV so far is a failure

[Stan] Nintendo Wee

[Stan] makes me think of a pedophile

[Vincent] That might win the ladies and homosexual men, but not me

[Jeff] Kleenex is made up. Xerox is made up. Forrest Gump thought apple was a fruit company. Thatw as funny because he's simple, we laughed at that and are now making the same mistake.

[Aaron] and Lenovo actually means something

[Mike S.] I don't know about you guys, but "ii" makes an "e" sound to me, always has

silks They're going to have fun commercials, just like the iPod "shadow" commercials

[Mike S.] they better

[Jeff] Definitely expect that famous Queen song. D

silks I doubt they'll market Wii as cool...it'll be marketed more as ingenius and playful

[Mike S.] Honestly I think the little "i" people is a GREAT idea for a campaign

[Mike S.] the ones in that video

[Mike S.] brilliant

[Aaron] yeah, but how many people will see that video?

[Bloodworth] well, they'd better put two remotes in the box now

[Brendan] I bet they use a woman's voice in thier ads.

[Vincent]
[Jeff] Definitely expect that famous Queen song. D -- You mean those two

[Bloodworth] I bet they use a French woman's voice

[Jeff] LOL Even better

[Jonny] Rick just called me and said something really funny

[Aaron] it just doesn't flow well... two syllables would have fixed the pronoun-ness

[Vincent]
[Bloodworth] well, they'd better put two remotes in the box now -- Haha, that's what a lot of people are expecting now apparently

[Vincent] I hope so

[Mike S.] well very few will see THAT video, but if they turn that video into an ad campaign, if they make the i-people their mascots, that would be great

silks I think for vacation I want to go to Hawa-wii

[Brendan] N-Wii.... sounds very French.

[Jeff] Ennui is intense boredom