No Wario Ware at launch?

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Nintendo's got more than Super Mario 64 DS for launch, right? If not that's by the far the lamest launch lineup from a non-newcomber of all time.

Was Billeh taking a shot at the PSP, saying basically "it's non-playable demos look really nice", or was it really a compliment?

Also, it should be noted that Reggie speaks in this story.

At least it sounds like Nintendo is using the touch screen for analog control in Super Mario 64 DS. That's a relief. But yeah, this lineup is sounding thin. I can't really blame Nintendo, though...they're trying hard to keep their promise of a launch this year in two regions, and there is something to be said for that.

The PS2 didn't exactly have a stellar launch line-up, but Sony got its system out ahead of the pack and built a userbase. Nintendo is trying to throw that maneuver back in Sony's face.

If you include the I-Que, this is the 3rd Nintendo console Super Mario 64 has launched with.

"I can't really blame Nintendo, though...they're trying hard to keep their promise of a launch this year in two regions, and there is something to be said for that.

The PS2 didn't exactly have a stellar launch line-up, but Sony got its system out ahead of the pack and built a userbase. Nintendo is trying to throw that maneuver back in Sony's face."

That doesn't justify it though. Not to me a gamer anyway. Invenstors may see this as a good plan to build a userbase and get an early lead. I see it as a horsesh!t launch that I'm not going to have anything to do with. The PS2 launch lineup SUCKED and comparing this to that isn't going to make me feel any better. Actually the PS2 launch was better because Sony at least delivered a brand new title for their sole first party release. This is a PORT. All these promises of innovation and new types of gaming goes out the window if all Nintendo delivers for launch is a port. That shows they have no real ideas for the concept and thus like connectivity it's not going to amount to anything because if Nintendo can't think of something useful neither can third parties. Plus launching with a port is just going to turn the DS into another port machine like the GBA.

Nintendo's launch lineup sets an example to third parties. If all they have is Super Mario 64 DS then they're telling third parties to use the dual screen and stylus for gimmicks and to go port happy.

They better have something else to show.

Reggie says: "We're feeling quite good... I eat PSPs."

Always nice to hear something from Billy! I'm sure Animal Crossing will be close to launch and what about Mario Kart?! Oh well. Long live the DS!

Those are still 5 games. Where are the other 3 to 5?

Edit: I can't count.

To be announced, and then be delayed. Just like Smash Brothers, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, and StarFox Adventures were.

I liked how they'd state "will play Mini-DVD movies" for the psp. heh, it's UMD or whatever sony wants to call it. Although I think they
got the mini dvd ideal from GC, heh holds the same amount. But sony's is crapperware.

These are apparently all the launch games in the US

Super Mario 64 DS
Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt
PictoChat
Madden NFL 2005
Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf
Urbz: Sims in the City
Spider-Man 2
Ping Pals
Feel the Magic: XY/XX

Who will be my Ping Pals?

Well, I'm less than impressed. At least games are only $29.99.

I know. I was quite thrilled that it was launching in the states first...but it still appears Japan is getting a much better launch lineup. I won't complain if we get some more games in very early December like we did with the Cube though.

I think this could be good (yes, good) depending on what Nintendo does with the other titles it has developed.

To me, the worst time for every new system is the first half of the year after it launches. Looking at GameCube or even PS2's launch lineups, there were definitely a couple of games there worth buying right off the bat. The problem is, then you had to wait until June or July for anything else worthwhile to come out. I remember walking into retailers throughout the first part of 2002, and being disappointed that there was never anything new on the shelves for GameCube. PS2 and Xbox had pretty much the same problems in the first 1/4 -1/2 of the year after they launched. There was a Twisted Metal Black here, a Resident Evil there, but there wasn't a lot of choice.

Combine this with the fact that PSP will probably launch in the first half of next year in most territories, and I think it would be a good strategy for Nintendo to hold on to it's first party titles and dole them out at a steady pace, with a couple of major releases at the same time as the PSP comes out (Metroid Hunters and Final Fantasy III, please.)

Don't get me wrong, I agree that this launch lineup is a bit disappointing. However, this could be a smart long-term strategy. If Nintendo delivers a new game on an almost-monthly basis from November to June, I think it will be worth it.

So Super Mario 64 DS really is the only first party launch title. F*CK THIS! Do you hear that Nintendo? It's the sound of my money being put back into my wallet. There's no way in HELL I'm buying one of these at launch. Hell even the announced future games don't look so hot so it might be years before I buy one of these things.

This is by far the worst launch lineup for any major system ever. I'm voting with my wallet. Don't make excuses for this. If this launch disappoints you don't buy the DS at launch and tell Nintendo that you're not going to put up with this crap.

The PSP deserves to beat the DS now.

Ian Ian Ian, alwasy jumping to explosive conclusions.... =P Has a system ever launched with just 1 first party title? I can understand that you are upset, but this is far from a finalized list and I think you should chill a bit before you freak out...

Here is my conspiracy theory....

What better way to launch a wireless communication system than with one of the best communication games ever made? Why wouldln't they tell us Animal Crossing is a launch title? Because we are still waiting on an obviously DS related announcment from the Warp Pipe team.

"Has a system ever launched with just 1 first party title?"

The PS2.

And NOA's press release implies that Super Mario 64 DS is the only first party launch title. Why would they say that the other titles are to be released later if it wasn't true? That sort of public misconception would be so damaging.

Plus Animal Crossing wouldn't really fix this. Wow two ports instead of one! Yeah.

Do you hear that Nintendo? I hear obnoxious whining...

Why don't we wait and see.

The launch titles in Japan may be coming out in America at about the same time.

If your only complaint is that the launch should have been delayed, don't buy one at launch. Wait till the good games come out and buy it then. For all you know, Mario DS could surprise us and actually be a good REMAKE. Anybody who refuses to even consider that Mario DS could be anything other than a port is just searching for reasons to hate the DS.

I dont get what the big deal is. Even if Nintendo releases 50 first party titles and there are 50 more from third parties its not like you can buy them all, if this impossible scenario is to happen, Ill probably just buy Mario DS, and most people will actually buy one or two games, we have ten to choose from, thats pretty much enough imo for a launch lineup.

Damn, Ian, you really are insane. Good Lord, that has to be the most dramatic outburst I've seen in a long while.

How would it be better to delay the launch? That is completely non-sensical.

PSP deserves to win? Get a grip, Ian.


Nintendo, my money is still in hand.

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Do you hear that Nintendo? I hear obnoxious whining...

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Plus Animal Crossing wouldn't really fix this. Wow two ports instead of one! Yeah.

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Paladin is right. The screens on Nintendo of Japan's site suggest that Mario 64 DS has been changed significantly for this release. New mini-games, four different characters (apparently with unique moves) to play through the main game with, noticeably improved graphics, and maybe even a new boss are shown in the screens. Even if they've shown off 100% of the changes in the screens alone, the game is reasonably improved. All that remains to be seen is how well it plays.

The system does need more first party games at/near launch: I probably won't buy one right away unless the reviews are astronomical. But I will buy one when some of the other delicious games that I saw on Nintendo of Japan's site come out. I think it will be a reasonable trade-off if Nintendo gets a significant head-start on PSP and gives us a consistent selection of new games instead of releasing a huge pile followed by nothing until next Christmas.

Edit: fixed miscellaneous errors.

Ms Pikmin, I'm just irritated at flamboyant ranting...I would have liked another Ninty or two as well but I'm not completely denouncing Ninty because of it...

The N64 launch all over, eh? I wonder. How cool would Pilot Wings 64 as a DS game be? I'd buy it.

I think a Gran Turismo drifto game on PSP will make the general market forget about D.ouble S.upergameboy.

Who thinks reality is this sad?