What's harder than Super Meat Boy?
Fitting Super Meat Boy on WiiWare.




I wish they could make it episodic so that we don't lose out on content.

Thanks, Nintendo!

If technically possible, Nintendo should issue a waiver for these guys. Super Meat Boy is the leading candidate for my Game of the Year. I think old-school Mario fans will dig it so much. If you thought New Super Mario Bros. Wii was too easy... this is the game for you.

Yea, I finally picked it up after hemming and hawing for almost a week after Jonny raved about it to the staff the other day. I spent somewhere around 7 hours with it last night with a friend of mine. It's easily the game that I hate the most, but I also really enjoy the challenge. It's excellent.

Good luck, Team Meat. Here's hoping they can fit it in without having to sacrifice too much. I've completed the original Meat Boy on Newgrounds, and am psyched for the sequel after its universal acclaim.

I believe it might be related to the system's RAM, it seems to download games fully before writing them to the storage so the whole thing has to fit into the RAM alongside the Shop Channel.

(Which, if true, is an utterly idiotic reason that should have been solved years ago).

Except Nintendo didn't put enough power into the WiiWii for that to happen. 3DS appears to solve this problem, hopefully.

Huh?  It has nothing to do with power.

It's okay guys, it's still coming out on the PC! ;)

Is RAM not a part of power? If it's true the limit is due to the RAM (which seems like the most plausible theory I've heard) then having more RAM would have increased the small WiiWare file limit (seriously, my 11-year-old PC has more than four times the Wii).

Nintendo, bring on the Wii 2 because I am tired of missing out on good games because of the Wii's damn file size limit. These include: Scott Pilgrim vs the World, TMNT re-shelled, Marvel vs Capcom 3, just to name a few.

I remember reading somewhere that developers can submit a file size exception with Nintendo to go above the 40MB limit.

If it's simply due to loading the whole thing into memory then that's easily worked around, regardless of size (otherwise, how could Wii discs possibly work?)

Wii discs work because the game's on the disc? I'm not following you. Where is that game going to go if not into the RAM?

The Wii has to store things in RAM off of the disc for the game to actually function, in this case, the flash memory is the equivalent of the Wii disc.

I agree about Super Meat Boy, I just purchased it today and it is fantastic. Anyone enjoying this should check out N+ if you haven't already.

Good Lord, Nintendo! You gave us the ability to use the SD slot. Freaking raise your file limit. NAOW.

This is before the game gets to the flash memory. Supposedly it downloads into the RAM and then it writes to the flash, which is why the service has a 40MB limit. If this is true, how could this be worked around?

Download directly onto Flash.  Duh.

Isn't that dangerous? It seems like it would make it more vulnerable having it take so long writing data like that, I'd be worried about something interrupting it and corrupting the flash.

You can't corrupt Flash like that.  These things have checksums -- if the written data isn't valid, you do it again.

Ah. I'd still be worried about the increased wear from the longer writing times. Flash isn't very durable in my experience.

I don't think the issue is a technical one, or maybe it is, in the same way that the Wii's generally shoddy internet integration is a technical issue.

How could Nintendo use the SD card to work around file size limitations?

See: Aaron ^ ^ ^

This would have zero effect.  It's not like you're running a motor or anything like on a hard drive; what you write on one part of the chip will not make any difference to the rest.

Super Meat Boy: the worst game to buy the day before an exam.

I absolutely adore the Warp Zones, and the Dark World is wholly sinister.

They just updated their Twitter with this:

I could never in good conscience purchase a game from a developer who can't even take the time to form proper sentences.

* conscience

I can never take a forum post seriously if it contains spelling errors.

:P:

That isn't a spelling error, I just used the wrong word because it's late and I'm really tired. There's a name for that type of mistake but I can't think of it.

Well, you spelled the wrong word, and I was just being silly.

Realistically, I hope that you wouldn't avoid what is by all accounts a wonderful game just because someone was sloppy with grammar in a Twitter post.

So basically, they can't use Twitter.

I was just being facetious unsuccessfully (because for me there's evidently no other kind).

The wear on flash memory is per-cell, i.e. per byte. Writing one file in chunks won't increase the wear because each cell still only gets written once. Plus the wear-out limit is something like 10k writes which really won't happen with the Wii.

I hope the write limit is more than 10,000, because I've already done more than that with Mario Kart Wii alone.

Might be 100k but either way the flash ROM will evenly spread the write operations across the cells so when you rewrite a file it's not written to the same location again but a new one.

And now,

Keep in mind that Nintendo sets the prices for games on their Shops, so that's a confounding factor for devs.

I also hate episodic games. You have to pay more and wait more.
Also, the game's size is a serious problem. It's hard to compress a game, and I don't want to miss any of the game's additional content.

I rather wait for they to do a CD version.

Nintendo sets the prices?  I mean, I know they set the price for Virtual Console content - but for WiiWare?  Wonder what criteria they use (aside from "I bet this'll sell for $15!").

This game is probably my 360 Game of the Year. If they release it on a disc for Wii with extra content I will totally double dip.