He should start mentioning other games besides those 2. If gamers haven't bought them yet, even after him mentioning them (especially the conduit) in the last 10 or so interviews where he was asked about Mature games, then maybe they just aren't interested in them.

He cold always mention HoTD:Overkill, Silent Hill, Cursed Mountain or No More Heroes. He really needs to switch it up. Just mentioning the same 2 games over and over again makes it sound like there are only 2 to choose from.

Yeah, and The Conduit isn't even rated M (or all that great). The best M-rated game on Wii is RE4, and guess what? We did buy that game, in droves.

So Nintendo relies on third parties to deliver mature content but doesn't make much of an effort to improve third party relations or encourage third party support.  This is called "self-fulfilling prophecy" here.

The thing is the mature content is on the other consoles and I think we're at a point where those that are truly interested in those types of games gave up on a Nintendo console providing them.  They either own a second console or never bothered with a Wii to begin with.  If Nintendo wants these types of games to sell on their consoles they need to seriously shake things up.

What Nintendo doesn't seem to realize is that their own games influence the third parties.  Nintendo doesn't make mature games so that is why they have always been labelled as kiddy.  Third parties make the assumption that since Nintendo only makes family friendly games that a Nintendo console is aimed at kids and families.  This gen Nintendo's emphasis on non-games, even though they make core games as well, is likely the main reason why third parties treat the Wii like a casual console.  Any types of games that Nintendo doesn't make, and this includes individual genres as well, typically don't appear on Nintendo consoles.

In comparison Sony will make Ratchet & Clank and God of War.  Something for the kids and something for teens and adults.  And Sony has never had any demographics issues like Nintendo has had.

And I find it so odd to suggest that Nintendo devs don't like making mature games.  Aren't these people adults?

With mature games what I usually look for isn't blood and tits and swearing.  What I like is when a game doesn't feel like it is intentionally designed for a younger audience.  Metroid Prime is not rated M.  But it just feels like a game about a space bounty hunter fighting aliens.  When Zelda isn't a cartoon it just feels like a game about an elf on an adventure.  Mario feels like it is intentionally catered to children with the whoo-hoos and such.  I find it harder to get into that game as a result.  Wii Sports feels like it caters to non-gamers which also turns me off.

And looking at non-Nintendo games something like God of War feels like the mature content is thrown in to be exploitive so the whole thing appears very silly to me and very calculated.  Resident Evil is very gorey but it fits the subject matter of the game so it just feels like a game, and in this case the game just had to be M rated.  It just wouldn't work otherwise.  It's natural.

Take your Conduit and shove it where the sun don't shine. That's not a quality game.

I think he meant that Nintendo doesn't make Mature rated content, not mature games, as games like Brain Training & Blue Ocean are mature vs something like MadWorld or DOA: Beach Volleyball that are rated mature for (immature) content.

I resent that, I actually thought the Conduit was a good despite its flaws and pain in the ass controls and story.  ;D

As for mature content on the wii, I want a GTA for the wii very soon. I am hoping to hear something at the next E3 and love to see it happen.

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I'd like to see that too.  It's not like the sales Chinatown Wars didn't pick up, it has sold pretty well for a 3rd party games.

Exactly. And people wonder why I've always considered Reggie a schmuck. Know yor product sir. The Conduit is neither mature nor quality.  Do us all a favor and go back to the horrendous light rock music channel you came from. 

If you have a problem with the controls in The Conduit, it is because you did not take the time to adjust them to your liking. The Conduit has more control customization than any game I've ever seen, you can't really fault the game for yourself being too lazy to tinker with the controls.

Actually,  I spent a good hour or so configuring those controls and I never did find a setting I liked (especially button mapping).  They were far from that game's worst problems, though.

Well, people who don't like the Wii controller aren't going to like the controls, but that isn't a fault of the game.

Yes, I think Reggie meant rated M games...and you know what GOOD FOR NINTENDO.  Why should Nintendo be forced or pressured to make the type of games their developers and ARTISTS don't enjoy making.  Nintendo makes great games.  Amazing games, that all have the unique Nintendo style.  And to tell them they are wrong is stupid.  I am proud of Nintendo keeping to their vision of games, and without Nintendo in the business I would be out of gaming for good.

And, Nintendo is doing things to help their relationship with 3rd parties...but the deal is Nintendo can change their fans or perceptions in the marketplace.  If gamers want mature games, they are going to go for the HD consoles with the games they like.  Because lets face it, if the latest rated R movies show a reality is that the more beautiful the sex and violence the more it sells.  Movies like 300 aren't quality films but they are pretty to look at.  The video game industry is going that same mainstream direction.

Of course you can fault the game.  Making it configurable is no excuse for not having it work well up-front.  Configuring controls should be the exception, rather than the rule, it should never be something developers demand players do.  Doing so is just laziness and is not acceptable for a high-quality game.  You may never be able to make it work well for everyone, which is why you have configuration, but it should work well for most people.

Since when is having options a bad thing. The default controls work well. Heck Stratos when we got the game and didn't even play the single player first beat pretty much everybody with the default controls.

"Mature" games is the modern industry term for testosterone driven games.

That's like saying if you don't like the levels in a PC FPS you didn't take the time to make your own ones. Proper controls are something that should have been included by default, there's a lot of bullshit in the default settings. You shouldn't be required to spend half an hour tweaking obscure sliders to get anything useful out of your game. For example, the default doesn't let you aim up or down by more than 50° and as Zero Punctuation pointed out the level design in the SP mode frequently demands aiming up. Sure, customization is nice but the defaults should have been better since tweaking is too complicated for the average user.

its funny how perception influences reality

iv never played Conduit, but its reviewed well. I can see it as being a sleeper hit type game. A game thats pretty good, but because its in the unfortunate position of being the best of its kind it gets panned for not being good enough.

And then I tried Modern Warfare on Wii...and wonder why Conduit's "fully customizable controls" can't let me map reloading to the nunchuck.

But yeah, the controls work fine enough.

I believe I wanted to bind it to a remote shake like in Onslaught but yeah, that's not an option.

The reason why you can't put reload on a motion is because it is also the function you hold to pick up a weapon. I've no idea why they decided to combine these, it seems strange. "Fully customize" is always a bit of a misnomer. In no game can you have any function you want be placed on any input you want. For example, you can't move using the IR pointer and aim using the analogue stick.

I s'pose the defaults could have been a bit more universal to require less tweaking. Still, the options are there, so I think it's a bit silly to complain about the controls as a whole. That'd be like complaining about the Wii Wheel in Mario Kart Wii when there are other controllers available.

Yes, we all saw what you did there, but although I'm not the biggest fan of the Wiimote I've found quite serviceable control schemes in other FPS games like Metroid Prime 3.  The Conduit just has too many buttons that have to be mapped onto a controller that's ill-equipped to comfortably handle all of them, and I'm sorry but I shouldn't have to spend an hour right at the start of the game constantly having to reconfigure button placement and confusing sliders because what High Voltage set as default is total ****.  There's no reason the controls in Conduit couldn't have been as serviceable as any other Wii FPS, but that's how High Voltage decided it must be so they deserve all the complaints they get.

And like I said, in the grand scheme of things I have many more complaints about the ****ty level design, boring gunplay, and total lack of originality than I do about the control scheme.

The button restriction is a fair criticism, I'm not sure what they were thinking with that one. As far as configuring the controls, it took me only a few minutes of tinkering to find a setup that works great. Plus it isn't like you have to adjust them every time you play, it's just a one-time thing so I really don't see it as any big deal.

The level of customization in the controls was about the only thing I felt The Conduit actually did well. It was so refreshing to see a console game give you so many options. Being able to customize the bounding box for the reticle made it the only decently controlled console FPS ever. Being able to actually aim and look around, without having to push the reticle to the side of the screen, was great. It felt like a real FPS in that regard.

Reviewers said the game was good, but that was baseless hype and nothing else.

Expect that so much, nothing surprises me anymore.

I think it was more an issue of Conduit having too many control functions (especially for such a simple game) and it being hard to create a button layout with all the important ones readily available.

I like the wording "Don't Enjoy".

It's as if they wanted to, they could dominate the market, but they simply "Don't Enjoy" it.

That's classy.

enjoy has another meaning to, to enjoy is to receive some sort of benefit by doing something, so if they don't enjoy it, they don't receive any benefit

If the benefit was "going to the needs of whiny fans only to have them whine more", I can see why Nintendo's top tier developers are like that.

Be glad they are not Kojima.

So what does this strange group of developers "enjoy" then?

I'm sure Nintendo's Japanese dev teams are completely unaware of what the non-Japanese fans think of their games and I'm sure they don't care either.

Plus I always felt that "they'll whine anyway" is just a lame excuse used to justify staying the same and not making improvements.

I think the real situation is that Nintendo devs make whatever the fuck Iwata or Miyamoto tell them to.  It's probably those two that don't want to make mature content so Nintendo as a whole doesn't.

They enjoy making games that their own families can play.

I wonder how they know they don't enjoy it; Nintendo, as far as I know, has never internally developed an M-rated game. They've published a few, but they were all done by outside studios.

Cuz Nintendo is full of nice people.

Just out of curiosity, which M-rated games have Nintendo published?

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Rare published both their M-rated N64 games themselves, so the only one I can think of that Nintendo published would be Geist. If Disaster had come to North America it may have been M, but it never did, and if (a huge if) Zangeki no Reginlev comes over, it'll be M.

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