I don't know, Reggie.  I would consider the large amount of great PS360 games that cannot be ported accurately to the Wii to be a valid enough justification to create a new system.  And with the Playstation Move on the way there's a realistic possibility of a great motion control game being made for the PS3 that can't be ported to the Wii, because of the great hardware difference.  This hardware gap isn't insignificant.  The Wii's third party support is complete horseshit because of it.

You read that as no new Wii coming yet. I read that statement as New DS is coming this year, Wii will have to wait till next year.

3rd parties are just horseshit.

BS, third parties have given poor support to Nintendo systems since the N64 days (in general, there has been some great third party games and some publishers have done a good job). This is just the current excuse they use.

I'd argue that third party support is a lot better on the Wii than it was on the GameCube, but, at the same time, the Wii is considerably less suited to be a person's only console. This generation, more than any before it, to get the full experience you need at least two consoles.

What exactly do you consider a full experience? In my personal opinion, full HD experiences have been nothing but flair with hardly any substance. The biggest offender is MGS4.

Wii has given me a full experience. PS3 has given me LONG install times.

Don't get me wrong, there's tons of great stuff on the Wii; I'd be (even more) crazy for owning 65 Wii games if there weren't. But there is a lot of great stuff on the 360/PS3/PC that you are doing yourself a disservice if you're not playing it.

Define 'great' though. The only game I played and wasn't bored with that I considered 'great' on the PS3 is Infamous. I don't have a powerful PC to play most games, and I don't want to go through the massive headaches caused by the 360's RRoD.

I left out Valkaria Chronicles because I haven't played the game yet. GREAT PS3 games seem to be hard to find... if they aren't on PSN. (though I head some good things about Uncharted 2... but then again, the gaming media drops perfect scores like candy at Halloween.)

Adam Sessler calling it the best single player game ever is a bit much, but Uncharted 2 is most certainly deserving of most of the praise it got.

Well, most Mario games don't actually qualify since you can play almost all of them 2 player with the exception of Mario 64.

But nearly all Zeldas and Metroids are only one player games, as well as the first Pikmin and several others. My point is, Uncharted 2 is what got me to break down and buy a PS3, and I don't regret the purchase..

You want some "great" PS3 games?  Ok, here are a few: Valkyria Chronicles (as you well know), Batman: Arkham Asylum, Fallout 3, Final Fantasy XIII, Heavy Rain, Dead Space, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Bioshock, Bioshock 2, and (IMO) Star Ocean: The Last Hope.  Resident Evil 5 and Assassin's Creed 2 are also fine games, though nowhere near my top tier on the console.  Those are just from genres and franchises I like.

I see you're going on with that in this thread too. But its just not true. third party support for Nintendo consoles has been horse**** since the N64 era. It has nothing to do with weaker hardware, because the GC and N64 were actually superior hardware in their day.

If you really insist that the Wii having weaker hardware is the reason third party support is horseshit then would you care to explain how the GC and N64 had the exact same problem?

My brother recently borrowed a PS3 from his friend for a month, thus giving me (a nintendo exclusive console owner) a chance to try a bunch of games that I have been interested in. I decided to concentrate on PS3 exclusives and in just one month I will have played just about everything worthwhile that I would have missed. Turns out there are only really 5 or 6 exclusive games that are worth a damn. I'm playing through Uncharted 1&2, Heavy rain (which is taking a chance I think), and will rent God of War 3 when in comes out. The only other game that I really wanted to play but won't is little big plannet, because I feel like to really get it you would have to own it. I'm also playing through resistance 1 with my brother and will pick up resistance 2 as well, but I don't think the first one is really very good. I'm also going to play heavenly sword because I can borrow it off a friend, but I wouldn't consider that a bombshell either.

The fact is that if you want to play shooters the 360 will better suit your needs, God knows the controller is infinitely better. So what may end up happening is that I beat these games and then return the PS3 to my bros friend and actually buy a 360. Most of the games on the two systems are the same, and to be honest i'd rather play them with a 360 controller. And if i've already played all the exclusives ps3 has to offer then I'll get the multiplatform games and the superior shooters for the 360 and call it a day.

For tl;dr, PS3: out for 5 years with one month worth of content.

Time to get back on topic from that last post.

Ian would argue that in the past the market leader has always received the best 3rd party support. Because the GC and N64 were not the leading console of their gen, it follows that they wouldn't have good 3rd party support. The wii on the other hand is the market leader but still has poor support. What Ian is doing is simply looking at the appreciable differences between the consoles of each generation to figure out why this is the case. Upon doing this it is clear that the difference between the wii and its competition and other market leading consoles and theirs is that the wii has a much larger hardware deficiency.

I'm not saying that he's right, and there are certainly a lot of other things to take into consideration, but his argument isn't hard to follow. That is if you've been reading his posts...

You forgot Ratchet and Clank A Crack in Time, that's a great exclusive game, and Yakuza 3 too.

I stand corrected.  I used to own ACiT, but I traded it away last December so I forgot all about it.  -_-'  Never cared for Yakuza 3, though, just from what I played of the demo.

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That's one I forgot about as well, I'll give it a rent.

They cannot be ported but the vast majority could have been made for the Wii if that had been the plan right from the start. Of course the wii hasn't hit its limits, we barely see games use the motion controls meaningfully.

one of my favorite titles this generation was Gear of War, but if it wasn't published by Microsoft I could see how it could be ported to Wii. Graphics downgrade aside it would still have awesome gameplay.

Broodwars you forgot Motorstorm Pacific Rift. Best arcade racer this gen.

Really D_Average? Because I didn't like the first MotorStorm.

Like I said, I was just listing games on the PS3 from genres I'm really fond of, which are RPGs and (strangely enough, considering I used to hate them) First and 3rd-person Shooters.  I've never cared much for racing games.  If you're into that, good for you but it's just not my thing.  Same with Yakuza (and Demon's Souls, for that matter).

I think racing games and fighting games are best played on the PS3, the 360 has sports and shooters and the wii has platforming and adventure games. RPG's are tough to call because I don't know that there has been a must play RPG for sometime now and FF13 is on both HD consoles. I have high hopes for last story and xenoblade though.

I have always been a Nintendo gamer because I'm a fan of action/adventure games and platformers, and mario zelda and metroid are the meat and potatoes of that genre. I don't like sports or racing games, but I don't mind the occasional shooter, so I think the 360 is a better fit for me. I really wanted to play Uncharted because it's right up my ally, and now I have, so what else does the ps3 have to offer me?

I'd say so. First one was a bit rushed. The tracks and graphics are much more detailed in the sequel. But be warned, the game gets balls hard towards the end.