Let me throw this out there:  February 2010

This game is turning into everything I hoped it wouldn't.

This is a Quick Time Event isn't it? This is like calling Dead Space Wii a "scripted first person shooter" when it is a rail shooter.

That's what I thought as well. It could be QTE, but it might be like the scene switcher in Final Fantasy IX.

Waggle QTE is one thing, but pointing at stuff on screen is new.

And horrifying.

Square has been doing QTEs since before we knew what to call them.  Usually, they're one-off segments in a 50 hour long RPG, so nobody remembers them.  Most of them don't even have to be passed, giving varying rewards instead, but there have been a few do or die sequences.  The airborne paper-rock-scissors fight while dangling from a rope in FF8 comes to mind.  Maybe that one wasn't quite as Simon Says as a run of the mill QTE, but it's close enough.  They've done the Simon Says thing plenty of times, too, regardless.

I remember a rock paper scissors level in The Bouncer.

Can someone explain how those worked?  I'm beginning to equate these Square minichallenges with simon-says Ocarina minigames rather than QTEs.

I mean Simon Says as in the game flashes an X on the screen, you press X, and your character doesn't die.  Ocarina minigames were more like just plain Simon.

The FF8 example involved pressing a button for a punch, kick, or headbutt as you (Squall) and an enemy grunt tried to knock each other off a rope dangling from some kind of flying machine.  If you didn't win, you'd fall to your death and get sent back to try again.  There was a similar event later on involving a dragon that was supposed to be a movie prop but -- oops! -- turned out to be real.

In the "flash a button on the screen that the player has to hit" category, the intro of FF9 involved exactly this in a fake sword fight in a play.  Random buttons to press briefly flashed, and you had mere moments to press them.  How many you nailed related to how much the crowd liked your performance, which I think had a monetary reward.

This sort of gameplay changeup with rewards goes back at least as far as FF6, where you won different items based on your dinner conversation in one scene, but button presses and timing started in FF7.  In particular, I recall a scene in which you had to march in step in a parade and do some tricks with your rifle.

Maybe I'm being too loose with the definition of a QTE, but Square has a history of handling scenes that wouldn't work in the game's combat engine with timing, pattern recognition, or simple button pushing challenges.  Combine that with Square's older attempts to merge gameplay with FMVs, and full blown QTEs are an obvious direction for them to go, if they haven't already.  I haven't played any FF since FF9.

Maybe you're being loose.  I associate QTEs with the Shenmue application, where they're used during EXCITING cinematic sequences, to break up what would've been a sit-back-and-watch cutscene.  The Square stuff you described sounds like some Mario Party stupid fun minigames from GameCube (hit button to swing golf club without screwingup, hit button when the flag goes up, etc.).

Incidentally, Square actually called those scenes in FF9 Active Time Events.

Active as in you're paying attention and regularly participating?

Then there's Quick as in you gotta be quick cuz the surprise gameplay might catch you offguard.

Active as in I don't know.  The similarity in name is just mildly interesting in light of this discussion.

It's not quite as low concept as Mario Party.  I think the concept of a QTE is to keep the player involved during sequences that couldn't be done in gameplay or would leave the player uninvolved.  Highly cinematic action scenes are the most obvious use for that concept in action games.  FF games leave the player in control during combat, so they instead had a need to break up lengthy non-combat scenes.  I say it's the same line of thought, and what we now know as QTEs are something Square was scratching for and almost figured out in FF8, both in story sequences and in combat, oddly enough.  There are multiple scenes in FF8 in which you are in control of your characters acting against an FMV backdrop, but with one notable exception (I think), it doesn't matter what you do.  It just looks like it should very convincingly.

Anyway, my original snarky point was that Square doing QTEs isn't surprising because it's right up their alley.

There's a difference between a QTE and a minigame. A minigame comes with rules attached and often requires you to make the decisions yourself, as trivial as they may be while a QTE shows a button and if you press it you succeed, if not then not with the only action on your part being to translate the button symbol into a position on your controller (difficulty depends on the system, worst case being a PlayStation). QTEs often happen without warning and interspersed into various cutscenes while a minigame will often announce that it's starting, last for a while and then disappear.

QTEs are increasingly seen in scenes that could be done in gameplay but the designers wanted to look cooler. I can understand wanting to keep the player at attention in a horror game (where cutscenes usually were a breather in which nothing could happen to you) but outside of that, no.

I agree, and I apologize for my original post's tongue-in-cheek tone not even remotely coming across, but it did start me thinking about it (I reserve the right to move from a glib first post to a more refined position as I spend more time thinking, sorry if that bothers anyone).  Square really did come surprisingly close to doing QTEs in the past.  The only thing separating the rope scene I mentioned from being a QTE is that the player isn't told which button to press to succeed.  You have to guess.  That is technically enough of a difference for patent claims and forum posts, but it's fascinating to me to look back at that game and realize just how close Square came to inventing the QTE.

It's also reason to believe that this new game's "Playable Events" won't necessarily be QTEs, either.  Or they might be so close that they spark flame wars over it on Gamefaqs for years to come.

Basically, yeah. I can't say I was hoping for Force Unleashed: Force Choke Only Edition.