A new Mario game with classic 2D Mario platforming action = MADE OF AWESOME.

Now, Magnetica sounds like...what's that game called? Zuma? With the coloured marbles and the matching up of three? I suppose some puzzle games might benefit from the quicker action of the stylus. If only there wasn't that hinge that puts a big break between the screens...unless it's like Tetris.

Between Tetris DS and New Super Mario Bros., I'm getting this oldschool feeling. Neo-nostalgia, if you will.

Woo-hoo! Dated! I can't wait for New Super Mario Bros.

Nintendo really sucks for putting the game out right at E3...How am I supposed to check out all the coverage!?

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Now, Magnetica sounds like...what's that game called? Zuma? With the coloured marbles and the matching up of three?

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I HATE Bowser Jr. Stupid stupid stupid character with no point.

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I HATE Bowser Jr. Stupid stupid stupid character with no point.

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Don't confuse Baby Bowser (Bowser when he was young) and Bowser jr. (his son).

"I HATE Bowser Jr. Stupid stupid stupid character with no point."

Agreed. When he showed up in Super Mario Sunshine my immediate thinking was that Nintendo screwed up their own continuity by having Baby Bowser and Bowser co-exist. Plus Bowser already has the Koopa kids. Wind Waker did the same thing and its story totally f*cked up the Zelda chronology. Nintendo may make great games but they SUCK at keeping their own continuity straight. They need like a DC-style "crisis" to clean up all the inconsistencies. It could be worse though. At least Bowser Jr is no Crystal from Star Fox.

Still I'm very much looking forward to this game. E3 time isn't going to bother me. Besides it gives the attendees something to play while they wait in line.

I just hope Nintendo doesn't go too nostalgia crazy and this game feels like a new Mario game instead of just a trip though old times. Mario games used to be a big deal because they were so unique, not because they had tons of fan service and familiar characters.

Mario killed the Koopa Kids in Super Mario World, remember? They're gone. The game even makes a point to tell you that they're dead though it uses euphemisms for that.

That was Bowser Jr. in Super Mario Sunshine, not Baby Bowser.

Baby Bowser and Bowser Jr. are NOT the same character, this has already been stated in this thread. I still hate Bowser Jr. though, they should get rid of him and bring back the Koopa Kids.

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Don't confuse Baby Bowser (Bowser when he was young) and Bowser jr. (his son).

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Mario killed the Koopa Kids in Super Mario World, remember? They're gone. The game even makes a point to tell you that they're dead though it uses euphemisms for that.

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Bowser Jr. has that awesome voice. Lay off.

Yea, I got goosebumps when they brought back the kids in M&L. I would love to see them brought back with more personality in 3D. Unfortunately, the style of Mario games has changed over the years. I just can't see them being in any pure Nintendo developed game right now. I guess I find the current art direction of Mario games to be kinda bland and lackluster. Even the screens of the "New Super Mario Bros" didn't seem too exciting as far as the art goes. I'm hoping for a different look before the game comes out. Oh, and also, if I see ONE MORE "Mario Party model" of Mario again I will surely explode.

I thought Mario Soccer brought a little edge back to the Mario style

Yeah, the Mario games badly need a clarification game to set the record straight.

It's almost as bad as 7,000 different studios all making Lupin the 3rd movies...

Some questions I'd like to see answered:

1. Does Bowser lay eggs or asexually reproduce? If not, where the hell did these kids come from?

2. Where did Bowser himself come from? Why are there no others like him? What species is he?

On a long drive, some friends and I were dreaming theories in regards to how Bowser might have come to be and how one could explain his Koopa kids and the apparent lack of a mate.

The theory was that Bowser is a mutation of the basic turtle species. In being the first of his kind, he was considered to be the destined ruler of the turtles. Since his rise to power, other mutated turtles like himself have been born. Rather then slaying them for fear that they may one day usurp him, Bowser keeps them as his own children/subordinates.

In addition to being able to breathe fire upon reaching adulthood, Bowser's species appears to be able to alter its size, as Bowser has been anywhere from four times Mario's size to roughly 30 times his size when Mario encounters him (from the original Super Mario Bros. to SM64, to SMS, Bowser has never remained a consistent size).

Bowser Jr and Baby Bowser look exactly the same. Nintendo is infamous for screwing up their own continuity.

-They can't decide if Moblins are bulldogs or pigs.
-The Kokiri apparently can't leave the forest or they die yet Saria is clearly not in the forest at the end of Ocarina of Time but is still alive and it is never really touched on that Link didn't die the second he left the forest. Yeah he's actually a Hylian but you figure Navi would be shocked he's still alive or something.
-Zoras have completely changed appearance since the first Zelda game.
-They have Yoshi as both a singular character and as the universal name of the whole species and all Yoshis are named Yoshi EXCEPT the blue Yoshi named Boshi in Super Mario RPG.
-They seem to vary between Mushroom people having mushroom heads or mushroom hats.
-They have Baby Mario and Luigi coexist with adult Mario and Luigi in several of the spin-off games.
-The layout of both Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom has changed drastically between games. Hyrule has an okay excuse that there are multiple Links (but even then mountains and lakes wouldn't move) but Mushroom Kingdom has no excuse.

They just don't keep their continuity straight and it's clear they don't really care. So when I saw "Bowser Jr" in Super Mario Sunshine I immediately assumed that they just threw Baby Bowser in there and were completely unaware that Baby Bowser is in fact the "real" Bowser. They don't seem to understand that Baby Mario is the same as Mario so I assume that same ignorance of their own creations would apply to Baby Bowser as well. Why else would the two characters look EXACTLY THE SAME? I wonder if Nintendo just has a big poster of all their character designs with just "good/bad" next to each name and they just grab whatever they feel like off of it without any research. The reason he's called "Bowser Jr" is probably because at some point someone realized the goof up so they changed the character's name instead of redesigning him.

I'd argue many of your points, but your complaints are so freaking worthless, Ian.

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I'd argue many of your points, but your complaints are so freaking worthless, Ian.

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I was really hoping NSMB would be the best Mario ever. But Bowser Jr. just ruins it. I WANT KOOPA KIDS. NOW. Grrrrrr. Why doesn't Nintendo ask FANS what they want!

(And I DO like Baby Bowser, because he's used with Baby Mario Brothers, so it works.)

-They can't decide if Moblins are bulldogs or pigs.

There are Bulldog Moblins and Pig Moblins...Who said that Moblin is a distinct species?

-The Kokiri apparently can't leave the forest or they die yet Saria is clearly not in the forest at the end of Ocarina of Time but is still alive and it is never really touched on that Link didn't die the second he left the forest. Yeah he's actually a Hylian but you figure Navi would be shocked he's still alive or something.

Errr, Saria is a Sage (I don't believe she's in actual physical form anymore)...There is also the possibility that the whole "die when you leave the forest" was completely made up by the Deku Tree so the Kokiri wouldn't leave... ...And Navi probably knew Link was Hylian...

-Zoras have completely changed appearance since the first Zelda game.

Um, there are several species of Zora...Try playing Oracle of Ages...

-They have Yoshi as both a singular character and as the universal name of the whole species and all Yoshis are named Yoshi EXCEPT the blue Yoshi named Boshi in Super Mario RPG.

Um, yeah? Your point?

-They seem to vary between Mushroom people having mushroom heads or mushroom hats.

THIS IS CRUCIAL INFORMATION!

-They have Baby Mario and Luigi coexist with adult Mario and Luigi in several of the spin-off games.

Cause they are spinoffs? SPINOFFS ARE NOT CANON!

-The layout of both Hyrule and the Mushroom Kingdom has changed drastically between games. Hyrule has an okay excuse that there are multiple Links (but even then mountains and lakes wouldn't move) but Mushroom Kingdom has no excuse.

It's called having variety...Why limit level design with a map created back in the day?

Sup, "continuity" complaints sat on...

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He's a Koopa, hence the name King Koopa. He's the ruler because he's the largest/fiercest Koopa there is (as opposed to taking the thrown due to blood rites).

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Fun tip of the day: Don't try to apply science to a Nintendo game...

"How'd they do that? Far as I recall they said Link was doing the Majora's Mask quest and Gannon came back destroyed Hyrule and then we have Wind Waker... maybe i missed something."

It fits with the 3D Zelda but it screws up the non-Capcom 2D games that came out before Ocarina of Time. It's really hard to fit the older games in that timeline because a Noah's Ark style flood is such a huge event and there's no real evidence of it in the older games that are supposed to take place after Ocarina (which is chronologically the first game). Plus they very specifically set the time frame Wind Waker takes place in relative to the N64 games and there isn't enough space in between for the older games to be pre-flood. We talked about it a lot when the game came out so let's not start that again but basically if you think about the Zelda timeline logically with Wind Waker included for more than five minutes your brain explodes. I just choose to ignore it outright because that's the only way I can come up with something that makes sense. In theory the followup to Wind Waker should explain why the flood is undone and has no bearing on the future but Twilight Princess doesn't seem to be a direct follow up. The whole thing is very complicated and it shows they didn't really put enough thought into it.

"Um, yeah? Your point?"

If all Yoshis are named Yoshi then why is one Yoshi not named Yoshi? In Super Mario RPG only two of the dinosaurs are explicitly named: Yoshi (who is clearly the green dude from Super Mario World) and Boshi. Everyone else is just unnamed like most NPCs. So the assumption would be that like people all Yoshi's have unique names. But in other sources Yoshi is just a catchall for the whole species and in Yoshi's Story they explicitly state that all Yoshi's are named Yoshi. So what about Boshi? He's an anomaly who breaks the rule but is only featured in one game. In reality it seems more like Nintendo just didn't have their sh!t together and made a big inconsistency.

These are really minor issues because the games are great anyway. But it just makes it harder for me to enjoy myself when I have such sloppy inconsistencies right in my face the whole time and they just get worse the more games Nintendo makes. If I created a popular IP I would make sure that everything makes sense. I would know more about the world I created than anyone else. So it bothers me when the creator of something doesn't care enough himself to keep things consistent. It shows a lack of care and it makes the games look more like manufactured product then any sort of artform.

If all Yoshis are named Yoshi then why is one Yoshi not named Yoshi? In Super Mario RPG only two of the dinosaurs are explicitly named: Yoshi (who is clearly the green dude from Super Mario World) and Boshi. Everyone else is just unnamed like most NPCs. So the assumption would be that like people all Yoshi's have unique names.

Oh come on...You have evidence from one title...One not even developed by Nintendo! Complaining about that is just plain silly...

It fits with the 3D Zelda but it screws up the non-Capcom 2D games that came out before Ocarina of Time. It's really hard to fit the older games in that timeline because a Noah's Ark style flood is such a huge event and there's no real evidence of it in the older games that are supposed to take place after Ocarina (which is chronologically the first game).

Whoa, hold up...Why does it screw the 2D games up? Just because Ninty thought of an idea later on? Should Nintendo re-release the old games with this new information? (Which would end up with you complaining about ports) Can you use any imagination at all to come up with your own reasons for why the records don't exist? Such as disasters that wipe out traces of history? I mean, geez, Wind Waker takes place a thousand years after OoT! Legends and stories come and go in that kind of time, and complaining because Nintendo doesn't rehash story elements that they had in their original games so they "make sense" is just absolutely bogus...

I'm lookin forward to that SMB game, hope it lives up to its name.

Zelda's timeline is completely whacky; you could debate it until the end of time and still not be 100% clear on it. But after TP comes out, we'll probably be able to make a little more sense of it. Until then, let's just throw our hands in the air for New Super Mario Bros.

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Donald Duck, what's up with that?

What was the name of the cool little Yoshi in Paper Mario 2?

Has everyone f*cking forgotten that Nintendo makes the gameplay first and worries about the story details afterward? That's what makes their games fun. The story comes after and is pretty much based upon the progression of the game and the gameplay mechanics.

I don't see why everyone lets it bother them so much. Just accept that the continuity is screwy and have fun with the game. I mean, I of all people should be annoyed by it: I'm a writer and film student, working toward writing and directing narrative films. Things based on plot and characters. Yet I respect Nintendo more than any film director, because they know what they're doing, and it's not the story.

I really hope New Super Mario Bros. has NO storyline getting in the way. I want Jungle Beat/retro goodness. I don't want them to explain why Bowser Jr. is there, like they didn't explain how Goombas took on the form of Bowser in the original, and why every female was the exact same collection of pixels. Also a rename, please? ;__; New Super Mario Bros. is awkward.

"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself it's just a show I should really just relax..."

"New Super Mario Bros." sounds like a codename. I don't see why they can't just call it Super Mario Bros. 5 or Super Mario World 2 or something.

"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself it's just a show I should really just relax..."

MST!

Super Mario World 2

Yoshi's Island

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Well I'm happy that a "new" Mario game is coming out and so soon.

I really don't care about the Mario continuity, I don't even think that Mario games have that much "story" to tell (except Mario rpg's), they are there just to fill in on your imagination and that's it, just have fun with the game.

Btw, the interview with Takashi Tezuka on the latest NP was very informative and I was actually quite surprised at how much info he gave about the game.

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He's a Koopa, hence the name King Koopa. He's the ruler because he's the largest/fiercest Koopa there is (as opposed to taking the thrown due to blood rites).

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All the Mario games are seperate, all the Zelda games are seperate, and the best videogames don't make sense.

IceCold: I figured "blood rites" meant he brutally slaughtered all opposition until noone would doubt that HE is the biggest, baddest boss around.

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LOL, try reading comic books for any length of time.

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DC isnt the only ones, Marvel has done tis before many times. especialy witht he4 x-books they had 2 age of Apocolypse storues ina ten year span, thats bad.

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DC isnt the only ones, Marvel has done tis before many times. especialy witht he4 x-books they had 2 age of Apocolypse storues ina ten year span, thats bad.

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Deus ex machina

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Donald Duck, what's up with that?

What was the name of the cool little Yoshi in Paper Mario 2?

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I owned Age of Apocalypse 1 (thick book)
was cool back then, myself and a mate use to swap the price stickers, so a 6dollar comic turned into a 4dollar one