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Offline theaveng

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« on: February 07, 2003, 01:54:40 PM »
ON-GOING RUMORS:
From Gamefront.de (through Babelfish)
Square speaks over finally Fantasy XII
31.01.03 - UNCONFIRMED: In the Famitsu, which appears to 07.02.03, is to be an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto of Nintendo and Yasumi Matsuno of Square. The two speak with a reporter about their current projects and plans. The following passage of the discussion is interesting:
Miyamoto: ' as they advance with finally Fantasy XII ?'
Matsuno: ' co-operation with Nintendo was good. Or haven't I might say that now (laughs)?'
Reporter: ' isn't Fantasy XII final for PlayStation2?'
Miyamoto: (laughs)
Matsuno: ' if the time is ripe, I it will say.'
Since the Famitsu did not appear yet and we cannot examine next week ago whether the discussion ran available and/or in such a way, applies to this message: WITHOUT GUARANTEE and UNCONFIRMED .


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"Comments from Yasumi Matsuno, Shigeru Miyamoto and Level 5 inside."

"In interviews published in the recent issue of Weekly Famitsu, Square's Yasumi Matsuno said that about 120 people are working on his current project, Final Fantasy XII, which will be released later this year in Japan. From a development standpoint, he wants the game to be a truly unique title this year. Furthermore, he mentioned the possibility of doing something with the card e-reader."






FACTS:
- Nintendo's president last year made a statement that more FF series will come to Nintendo's platforms.

- PS2 outnumbers GC by 4 consoles to 1. It has the largest userbase resulting in PS2 titles dominating in sales.

- PS2 can store all of FF12 on a single disc=8.5 gigabytes. GC discs are only 1.5 gigabytes and will likely require 3-4 discs, thereby increasing Square's publishing costs $3-4... and reducing profits by about $3*500,000 units = $1.5 million reduced profit.

- Square is desperate for cash. The flop of FF:Spirit Within hurt them financially. They need every dollar they can get.

- Every initial release of previous Final Fantasies was exclusive to only one console. FF1-3=NES, FF4-6=SuperNES, FF7-9=PS1, FF10-11=PS2.






MY OPINION:
- Nintendo's president's statement very likely refers to FF: Crystal Chronicles and FF: Tactics for the GameCube/GameBoy respectively.  He didn't say all FF series were coming to the Nintendo... just more of them.  So FF12 could remain on PS2, and the president's statement would still be 100% accurate.

- Based upon the above facts, I think PS2 is the best choice for FF12 (exclusive). It would make the most profit at minimal publishing costs.

- The other possibility is that Square might target both PS2 and GC. I hope that happens, but I don't expect it to.  It doesn't fit Square's love of exclusive titles.




 

Is FF12 coming to GameCube? (discussion/debate)
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2003, 01:56:40 PM »
Interesting...if FF12 made it's way to GC, it'd pull in a LOT of fans, even more than FF: Crystal Chronicles will.  Here's hoping..
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2003, 02:05:14 PM »
From what I've seen, many FF fans don't take Crystal Chronicles to seriously because it's not a traditional Final Fantasy game. I've heard some compare it to (the terrible) Bouncer for PS2. And quite frankly, I dont plan on purchasing it, I'm more of a traditional FF gamer myself.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2003, 02:31:52 PM »
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Originally posted by: theaveng
ON-GOING RUMORS:
From Gamefront.de (through Babelfish)
Square speaks over finally Fantasy XII
31.01.03 - UNCONFIRMED: In the Famitsu, which appears to 07.02.03, is to be an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto of Nintendo and Yasumi Matsuno of Square. The two speak with a reporter about their current projects and plans. The following passage of the discussion is interesting:
Miyamoto: ' as they advance with finally Fantasy XII ?'
Matsuno: ' co-operation with Nintendo was good. Or haven't I might say that now (laughs)?'
Reporter: ' isn't Fantasy XII final for PlayStation2?'
Miyamoto: (laughs)
Matsuno: ' if the time is ripe, I it will say.'
Since the Famitsu did not appear yet and we cannot examine next week ago whether the discussion ran available and/or in such a way, applies to this message: WITHOUT GUARANTEE and UNCONFIRMED.


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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2003, 02:35:39 PM »
While I dont' see it happening, it would be nice.  But on terms of Square's profits if the game was made for multiple consoles then you are meerly opening yourself up to make more money from another market.  So while they might make 1.5 million less then the PS2 version, they would still make money.

If anything if Square was REALLY really hurting for cash they would be smart to make versions for all 3 consoles.  Or play the companies off each other to pay for exclusive rights to the game.  And in theory I bet Nintendo would be more than willing to dole out a couple million to Square for a chance at FFXII.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2003, 02:51:52 PM »
I think that if Square would make FF XII for GameCube, it would be a big hit, thus being a system seller. It would also sell a whole bunch with the people that already have a GameCube. But I dont think it would take up that much disk space. 3-4 discs?? Common, two at the most.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2003, 03:05:50 PM »
The only way I see FFXII coming to GC is if it's released for PS2 first, and then ported over to GC several months later. Short of Nintendo handing over a huge amount of money to Square, I really don't see how FFXII could be a GC exclusive. You could argue that Square might do it just to "go back to it's roots" and show support for the GC, but come on, there's way too much money to be made.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2003, 05:09:00 PM »
A port of a PS2 game won't bring in as many fans as a brand new FF game would, In my opinion. Especially if it comes to the PS2 first.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2003, 05:24:21 PM »
I've also heard at least part of that was fake.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2003, 05:30:09 PM »
I've learned something from all the recent rumors:  the rumor is probably false, but don't be surprised if it's true.

Also, I don't think that 1 PS2 disc equals 3 - 4 GODs.  The PS2 and GameCube use different compression algorithms (though the GameCube is supposed to have better and more efficient programming toolkits), and have two completely different formats.  Just because the GOD has about 1.9GB per disc amd the PS2 disc has about 4.1GB per disc (not exactly sure abou this number) doesn't mean that the PS@ can have 2x times as much game as the GameCube.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2003, 05:42:41 PM »
Square will lose no money with extra discs. You know why? They charge $3-4 extra dollars per game.

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2003, 06:30:20 PM »
There's also the whole DVD Consortiium cost with the PS2, but I honestly have no clue if that's much of a factor.  Also remember that the PS2 can have dual-layered discs (since it's DVD), effectively almost doubling the capacity of each disc.

What would be in it for Square Enix though?  If it is coming to Nintendo, I certainly don't think it would be exclusive.  Looking objectively, that would be a bad business move (not that I know anything about business).

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2003, 06:48:58 PM »
GOD = Approximately 1.35-1.5GB.

DVD = Approximately 4.7GB. (one side)

Do the math, and you'll see that one PS2 DVD is little more than 3 GOD's..
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2003, 07:03:41 PM »
I honestly wouldn't really care if FF12 came to the GCN.  I am pretty sick of the formula, they would definatly have to shake it up to warrent a purchase.  I put down FFX, I have yet to fully finish FFIX, though I may.  FFVIII was horrid in my oppinion.  FFVII was fun, but only because it felt new at the time.  The classic FFs were great, but those are also old and have been played.  Something new would be great.  The only reason I would want to see FFXII on the GCN is because it would sell like mad.  


I am speaking in strictly American numbers here, I have no clue how they were after the classic FFs.

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2003, 05:43:31 AM »
Complaining that every FF is the same is like complaining that Mario always wears red and jumps a lot.  Rather silly.  Besides, even though every Final Fantasy has a similar battle system, each one is a completely new story with fresh characters.  I think that's a great method to follow, because you can hop right into the game without a learning curve, and yet you still get to enjoy the thrill of exploring a whole NEW world.  I will definitely pick up Final Fantasy 11 and 12 when they come out.



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Square will lose no money with extra discs. You know why? They charge $3-4 extra dollars per game.

So $50 for the PS2 version, and $54 for the GameCube.  Possible.  But wouldn't that make GC owners angry?

Also:
GC disc = 1.5 gigabytes max
PS2 DVD = 8.5 gigabytes max

 

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2003, 01:36:22 PM »
1.5 gigs max?? they could still do the dual layer thing with the gc disc im pretty sure.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2003, 03:38:57 PM »
Oh, I must be stupid since I still think it's 1.4 gb of accesible space for the GC mini-dvd and 4.7gb for the standard dvd.  

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2003, 03:44:59 PM »
ok, i don't know if i'm right but..isn't mini dvds cheaper then normal dvds?. I think so. Also it wouldbe cool to have FF12 come to GC as long as they don't keep the game only to Japan.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2003, 04:43:14 PM »
I just read the Famitsu interview, and the part about FFXII isn't in there. In fact, there's no "reporter" part, as the interview is set up as a conversation between Miyamoto and Matsuno. Matsuno did say he would like to do something with the Card-E Reader. But he might have just been being polite to Miyamoto.
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2003, 05:04:01 PM »
Nintendo has no say in Final Fantasy going to Cube.  They already got square to make "Final Fantasy:  The Game Boy Payoff".   Also Square has gotten out of the red from the FF movie, thanks to Kingdom Hearts doing better than expected, and the already expected sucess of FFX.

FF: CC is nothing more than a payoff game to get GBA development rights.  Maybe if Nintendo makes the GBA sucessor, and doesn't let Square develop for it, Square will let Nintendo rent some employees to make another Nintendo funded FF game.

Oh, and lets not forget that a few days after Square-Enix was made, they stated flat out that they have no gamecube plans, just PS2 plans and some GBA and PC ambitions.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2003, 01:42:19 AM »
I am so serious when I say that FFX is such an ugly, but ugly and terrible game.. I bought my PS2 only for that game, and by chance I bought also MAXIMO with it 'cause I would have bring back the system for a refund.  FF games need something new because they suck now.   I was a big fan, but with 9 and 10, the only thing I can say is BURP.  I hope FFCC will change that forever (since FFXI looks like a total flop in Japan).  ANd when I see IGNps2 gving it a 9 out of ten (if I'm right... damn it)

Now for FF12 on GameCube, I would be delighted to see that happen, just to help Nintendo to sell the Cube.  INstead of that, I don't blame it if it's not happening.  
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2003, 04:25:14 AM »
Yeah I too have major high hopes for FF:CC, so far its looks perfect to me, just what i want. A Realtime RPG and the style is so cool.
I hope its as long as other FF games. Like 50+hours.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2003, 06:11:16 AM »
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ok, i don't know if i'm right but..isn't mini dvds cheaper then normal dvds?

1-2 cents cheaper.  Insignifigant.
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GC discs are already double-layered.  Layer 1 is copy protection.  Layer 2 is 1.5 gigabytes of data.

And yes, a dual-layer PS2 disc (such as Xenosaga) can hold 8.5 gigabytes.

So a double-layer PS2 disc is equal to *[6]* GC discs.  GC has better compression thanks to DivX, but even so FF12 will still require 3-4 discs.  IMHO.



 

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2003, 06:17:11 AM »
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I am so serious when I say that FFX is such an ugly, but ugly and terrible game



I can understand why you might think it's not a good game.  Myself, I thought it was too easy.  But "ugly"?  hahahahaha!  You have to be joking.  FF10 has the most beautiful graphics ever produced for a PS2.


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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2003, 06:34:23 AM »
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Also Square has gotten out of the red from the FF movie, thanks to Kingdom Hearts doing better than expected, and the already expected sucess of FFX.


FFX and Kingdom Hearts made Square eighty million dollars?

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