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Wii U gets little 3rd party love.
« on: December 12, 2012, 12:39:55 PM »
Kotaku asks developers about their upcoming bigger games to see if they are coming to the Wii U. Not very encouraging.
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Whether this is what we should expect for the rest of its life we'll just have to see. Nintendo is just eternally hated by the industry...

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Re: Wii U gets little 3rd party love.
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2012, 12:50:52 PM »
I think we'll end up getting almost everything on that list that's by a Japanese company (which includes Tomb Raider, since Square-Enix owns that now), plus a few others on that list, though probably not day-and-date with the PS3/360 release.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 01:03:10 PM »
Damnit!   We're not getting South Park Stick of Truth!   I really wanted that game.  Okay, time to ebay my Wii U now!

And no Crysis!   The friggin game where you can drive around for 20 minutes without seeing a single enemy?  That sucks.  I love playing FPS's where you spend most of the time not actually shooting.   

And no Splinter Cell.  Damn, because the ending of Splinter Cell Conviction was just SO GOOD and SO SATISFYING.  I love games where you never see the main antagonist except in cutscenes, and the main antagonist is defeated not by you, but by your sidekick.  In a friggin FMV cutscene!
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 01:11:04 PM »
This quote is really damning:

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We really developed the game based on these two consoles [PS3, 360] and the Wii U, we think, is unique in a way that the controller is innovative and the entire console's pretty much not hand-in-hand with the consoles that we're making it for now. So if we were going to make it for the Wii U we'd have to start from zero again and really design something for that console, so we could say 100% that it was a good game for this console.

The excuse for the Wii was "well it just doesn't have the muscle to handle our game". Fine.

But now that you have a console with the muscle the excuse now turns into "OMG a tablet controller?!?! WHAT DO?!?!"
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Re: Wii U gets little 3rd party love.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2012, 01:15:48 PM »
I agree, I call BS on them basically saying they don't want to release a game on the Wii U unless it has a unique feature for the system. If Wii was equal to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, they would have said the same excuse ("we don't want to release a game on Wii unless it uses waggle").
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Re: Wii U gets little 3rd party love.
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 01:18:56 PM »
I should note some of these games are still "unannounced" so there is still hope. It's not like a press release was given to confirm the official status and no way they would reveal anything new over a phone call.

I swear though, if another developer comes to my house again and asks me why I only own a Nintendo console... Bones will be smashed and war declared on the nearest 3rd party offices. And I've got 4 of em within a 2 mile radius.


And by that I mean kindly ask the person to leave and write an angry letter to the 3rd parties in bold red letters.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2012, 01:31:27 PM »
And I get it, a lot of these games were in development before the Wii U was even revealed. But I just feel that it's BS that they're turning the Game Pad into a barrier of entry.

I would gladly play South Park on the Wii U even if the only thing they can think of to put on the Game Pad is an inventory screen. I understand the real awesome Game Pad integration stuff might not come until the next wave of games. Just give me a chance to play these games on my system. Take my money please.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2012, 01:36:51 PM »
Good, less games for me to buy ;p

But i might have thought about getting Tomb Raider or Bioshock if they would come to WiiU.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2012, 01:57:14 PM »
All excuses from 3rd parties as to why their games aren't going to appear on *Whatever* Nintendo systems always boil down to "Nintendo won't pay us".

That's pretty much it.

I mean, wasn't it these same developers who also said that they couldn't make their games for the Wii because it wasn't powerful enough and that they needed as many systems as possible to port around to since development costs had gone up so much?

Ignoring the first issue (since Wii development was pretty much the same as last gen and therefor Wii games were a fraction of the cost of HD titles and didn't NEED to be ported to hell and back in order to make a profit), now they have another HD system, something developers claimed that they needed. Now all of a sudden... they don't need it any more?

Could it be because that box has the word "Nintendo" on it?

3rd parties will support Nintendo hardware again when Sony and MS leave the industry, and the way things are going that's not going to be that far off. Until then, don't expect much beyond token support, specifically under the auspicious veil of "outsourced" ports. And it's nothing that Nintendo can control or change without driving themselves out of business. Something Sony and MS would absolutely LOVE since they wouldn't actually have to make games anymore in order to sell their little boxes.

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 02:08:33 PM »
I think this is ridiculous... The system came out last month. Just like with previous systems, third parties will come once the system is out for longer and they get a developer kit. Most third party developers didn't have a kit when the Wii U wasn't out yet. I don't understand why sites like Kotaku always want systems to be perfect the day it launched. They need to look back and see what Nintendo has improved on over the last few console generations.


Besides, the Wii U is getting cool exclusives early next year, Rayman Legends[/color], Lego City: Undercover[/font][/color], Pikmin 3[/font][/color] and Game & Wario. These games alone would keep me entertained for more than half a year.[/font]
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 02:10:09 PM »
I think we'll end up getting almost everything on that list that's by a Japanese company (which includes Tomb Raider, since Square-Enix owns that now), plus a few others on that list, though probably not day-and-date with the PS3/360 release.

Yeah, the 3DS shows Nintendo is a lot more aggressive with Japanese third parties now.  If they can get something as big as  Monster Hunter exclusive to their consoles, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to get cheaper ports of 360/PS3 games from a lot of Japanese companies as well.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2012, 03:12:26 PM »
I only know two people within the gaming industry, both are tech/engine coders but at two different studios. They've both told me that if you know what you're doing, you can bring a decent version of your game to another platform within a few months at the most. So why no WiiU ports? Did the dev kits arrive too late? All I know is that during the fall of 2011, Nintendo delivered dev kits to these two small-ish studios to "play around with". Neither studio had asked for a dev kit in the first place, so I suppose it's a good thing that Nintendo tried to get them on board. I don't know if this is a new thing for Nintendo, but these guys definitely did not get any Wii or 3DS dev kits out of the blue like this. Unfortunately, none of them even bothered to open the box before they shipped them back to Nintendo.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2012, 03:30:31 PM »
I think the real answer is "well we already started working on this game and we figure the PS4 and Xbox 720 will come out soon and we're going to move to them and we figure the Wii U will not be powerful enough to handle multiplatform games with those systems so why bother?  The Wii U will be 'on par' for about a year and we can't get anything out by then anyway."  They also probably figure this will become the casual system like the Wii and that the audience for their games won't be on the system anyway.

Nintendo worked REALLY hard at pissing off third parties during the NES and SNES days.  The N64 cartridges was the last straw so they lost almost everybody overnight and those third parties were probably GLAD to be rid of Nintendo.  And since then what the hell has Nintendo done to win them back?  The Cube was the most third party friendly system they've released since then and it's appeal was pretty much that it was not grossly incompatable for ports like the N64 and Wii were.  Hooray, Nintendo adequate!  I so want to work with them now.  Everything I've heard about Nintendo's relationships with any outside company is that they're hard to work with, treat everyone like competition, and always try to gain some advantage.  This isn't just with third parties but also with retailers and the gaming media.  It's not just that Nintendo doesn't offer moneyhats, they're just not easy to work with and provide no incentive for anyone that wrote them off to consider coming back.

On the N64 they had secret microcode so that their own games would have an advantage over third party titles.  On the Cube if you asked them how to go online they said "I don't know.  You figure it out" and so no one did.  If you've ever worked with someone who is a huge pain in the ass, you don't work with them again unless you have to or the opportunity presented from working with them is so great you can't ignore it.  So do these companies NEED to support the Wii U?  Is the Wii U such a gold mine for third parties that they would be complete fools to ignore it?  If they can skip the Wii U and still be successful, then why not do that?

Even from a creative perspective who cares about the Gamepad?  Who has had this awesome idea in their heads for years that only now the Wii U can allow for?  Nintendo acts like this is a big deal but it's a forced gimmick and no one, not even Nintendo devs, have been waiting for a system with this functionality.  Is it worthwhile to deal with Nintendo if you don't need them to stay in business, it won't bring about any major financial gain, and you don't require the unique features of their system to bring your idea to life?

Another thing to remember is that while publishers are businessmen, developers are creative people and the better ones that have the clout to do so, want to make the games they themselves want to play.  Nintendo's whole Wii approach was not inviting to creative developers.  Who the hell dreams of making casual shovelware for rubes?  No one, so any dev that isn't just in it for money or isn't some small time team that just gets stuck making games for Pixar movies, is not going to want to be part of Nintendo's strategy.  The "core vs. casual" backlash that the Wii created exists with developers as well because devs are typically gamers.  They don't want to make or play casual crap and they don't want the industry to turn into casual crap so they have no reason to specifically help Nintendo be successful unless they have to.

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2012, 03:41:46 PM »
These comments are not surprising in the least.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2012, 08:03:14 PM »
Sales matter--it all comes down to numbers.  Right now the WII U just starting out and there's to many games (good for gamers/bad for publishers) so having only a few games in the next couple of quarters might actually help those games that are already released like CoD BO2 which only sold 50K or so. 


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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2012, 08:24:50 PM »
Isn't that the problem with the Wii U that's its built to be a response to the 360/PS3 and not what comes next. 

The Wii U is in a really werid postion in which its probably not getting a lot of the third party software on the list because third party resources have probably moved on to development for the other next gen systems.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 09:08:05 PM »
Nintendo really pigeonholed themselves into the "Soccer-Mom" market with the Wii. Naming the new system Wii U will not help to shake that stigma. The flood of shovelware combined with long droughts of quality games didn't raise Nintendo's stock in the third party eyes either. The Wii was hot **** for a few months and then it was completely written off by the big developers.

Besides, it's been 6 years since 2006. The third parties are likely already anticipating news of Sony's and MS' new platforms, and aren't banking on Nintendo's current-tech console stacking up to whatever Sony/MS is hiding up their sleeves.

And don't get me started on the lasting stigma of the Wii's horrific online setup.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2012, 09:15:41 PM »
They're all games targeted at conventional 360/PS3 anyway. Why bother porting and publishing.


I think the real answer is "well we already started working on this game and we figure the PS4 and Xbox 720 will come out soon and we're going to move to them and we figure the Wii U will not be powerful enough to handle....BLAH BLAH BLAH

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2012, 09:45:22 PM »
I think the real answer is "well we already started working on this game and we figure the PS4 and Xbox 720 will come out soon and we're going to move to them and we figure the Wii U will not be powerful enough to handle....BLAH BLAH BLAH

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2012, 10:12:01 PM »
I should note some of these games are still "unannounced" so there is still hope. It's not like a press release was given to confirm the official status and no way they would reveal anything new over a phone call.

I swear though, if another developer comes to my house again and asks me why I only own a Nintendo console... Bones will be smashed and war declared on the nearest 3rd party offices. And I've got 4 of em within a 2 mile radius.


And by that I mean kindly ask the person to leave and write an angry letter to the 3rd parties in bold red letters.

If you decide to go with the large font letters clipped from magazines and news papers, I'll help you. I've always wanted to do that!

I think the real answer is "well we already started working on this game and we figure the PS4 and Xbox 720 will come out soon and we're going to move to them and we figure the Wii U will not be powerful enough to handle multiplatform games with those systems so why bother?  The Wii U will be 'on par' for about a year and we can't get anything out by then anyway."  They also probably figure this will become the casual system like the Wii and that the audience for their games won't be on the system anyway.

Nintendo worked REALLY hard at pissing off third parties during the NES and SNES days.  The N64 cartridges was the last straw so they lost almost everybody overnight and those third parties were probably GLAD to be rid of Nintendo.  And since then what the hell has Nintendo done to win them back?  The Cube was the most third party friendly system they've released since then and it's appeal was pretty much that it was not grossly incompatable for ports like the N64 and Wii were.  Hooray, Nintendo adequate!  I so want to work with them now.  Everything I've heard about Nintendo's relationships with any outside company is that they're hard to work with, treat everyone like competition, and always try to gain some advantage.  This isn't just with third parties but also with retailers and the gaming media.  It's not just that Nintendo doesn't offer moneyhats, they're just not easy to work with and provide no incentive for anyone that wrote them off to consider coming back.

On the N64 they had secret microcode so that their own games would have an advantage over third party titles.  On the Cube if you asked them how to go online they said "I don't know.  You figure it out" and so no one did.  If you've ever worked with someone who is a huge pain in the ass, you don't work with them again unless you have to or the opportunity presented from working with them is so great you can't ignore it.  So do these companies NEED to support the Wii U?  Is the Wii U such a gold mine for third parties that they would be complete fools to ignore it?  If they can skip the Wii U and still be successful, then why not do that?

Even from a creative perspective who cares about the Gamepad?  Who has had this awesome idea in their heads for years that only now the Wii U can allow for?  Nintendo acts like this is a big deal but it's a forced gimmick and no one, not even Nintendo devs, have been waiting for a system with this functionality.  Is it worthwhile to deal with Nintendo if you don't need them to stay in business, it won't bring about any major financial gain, and you don't require the unique features of their system to bring your idea to life?

Another thing to remember is that while publishers are businessmen, developers are creative people and the better ones that have the clout to do so, want to make the games they themselves want to play.  Nintendo's whole Wii approach was not inviting to creative developers.  Who the hell dreams of making casual shovelware for rubes?  No one, so any dev that isn't just in it for money or isn't some small time team that just gets stuck making games for Pixar movies, is not going to want to be part of Nintendo's strategy.  The "core vs. casual" backlash that the Wii created exists with developers as well because devs are typically gamers.  They don't want to make or play casual crap and they don't want the industry to turn into casual crap so they have no reason to specifically help Nintendo be successful unless they have to.

You had a very good post until that one bit, then you just went in to your usual rants. I call bull **** because a creative dev very well could have wanted to make a creative game using motion controls, and guess what; some have! The rest of the devs that used the limited hardware as an excuse not to create something magnificent just proved that they're not that creative.

That whole sentiment is like saying art made with crayons isn't worthy of being called art, no matter how creative it is
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2012, 10:24:38 PM »
I think there have been rumors of Tomb Raider and Splinter Cell coming to Wii U. EA is still doing a partial blacklist of the Wii U because Nintendo rejected Orbis exclusiveness, and THQ can't afford to keep the lights on, let alone fund a port.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2012, 10:36:30 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if we got Dead Space 3 a few months late like we are with Need For Speed.
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2012, 10:57:16 PM »
Even from a creative perspective who cares about the Gamepad?  Who has had this awesome idea in their heads for years that only now the Wii U can allow for?
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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2012, 11:03:27 PM »
My issue with the entire "we can't think of a unique use for the gamepad, so no Wii U" is that it's complete bull****.  It's not as if they *have* to come up with something special for the gamepad.  Does this mean that the Wii U version might look cheaper because it doesn't do things that some of the other Wii U games do?  Possibly.  But if the game is good enough, no one will care.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2012, 11:26:57 PM »
It's not hard to come up with a simple use for the GamePad. Not every game needs to be ZombiU and integrate it completely. Ninja Gaiden 3 barely used it, with what was there being pretty much useless, but I still gave it an 8 because it was a good game even without any real use of it.
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