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Nintendo Gaming / RE: So, it looks like my Wii might go back to Nintendo...
« on: February 03, 2007, 07:00:00 PM »
ummm....maybe u got a virus off the web sites u visited...
w/ my problem i just had to delete my connection, unhook my wii and my connector then hook it back up again and it worked fine...
w/ my problem i just had to delete my connection, unhook my wii and my connector then hook it back up again and it worked fine...
Im still hoping like a fool this whole thing to not be true, at least that they didnt delay it again. Arent rev features so easy to port that they did the MP2 demo in a matter of weeks? or is another of Nintendo's lies? 
, but what the remote will bring will be almost parallel to the 2D-3D jump, thats the kind of hype I have right now. Im going to try to explain myself with Metroid Prime, the interface becomes transparent not only because of the controller and its functionality, but because of its superb design, we dont notice it of course (and that means its an awesome game), but the game, its levels and enemies are carefully design to take advantage of the control scheme, and the control scheme is tied to the limitations of the controller itself, hence the lock on feature. The way we kill bosses for instance, it isnt like Super Metroid, where quick reflexes were more important, but its more like a puzzle, remember how the last boss is? for Metroid Prime 3 I expect something unbelievable, lock on should be completly gone, puzzles would be trully a 3D experience, because the controller is no longer limited. Would mapping the remote to MP2 help MP3 gameplay mechanics? not at all. I have the same thoughts about Zelda. Thats where I think you just dont get what makes Nintendo games so great, again, TP is a damn GC game, and thats its core, the only way to not make mediocre remote interface for me would be to make the game from scratch, to completly overhaul it. Sure fishing would be a cool thing, but its nothing more than a gimm!ck ( gimm!ck has such a negative tone in the gaming community, but for me it isnt a bad thing, its just not the awesome excellence Im acostumed with Zelda games) oh god lets hope thats not the case, it would be really bad if we compare TP GC mechanics with its Rev counterparts, thats like comparing how LttP is with the Dpad and with the analog stick if it was ever implemented (as dumb as many of you think this comparison is for me is very relevant), better to compare it with Ocarina of Time gameplay mechanics, or in this case, Zelda Rev gameplay mechanics. I dont think the original core TP game will be altered siginificantly (although Id prefer alot more that instead of these added functionality, they would stick to their promise and focus all their efforts to create the ultimate "traditional" Zelda game), but I cant see these added features as nothing else that a cheap move to give an extra push to the Rev, which for me its completly unnecesary. Well I dont think this is pointless, it has a specific purpose, to promote the Revolution even more. It is a waste for me because I think the remote is fully capable of a lot more than just mapping old gen gameplay mechanics, its almost Virtual Reality, This wont trully show what its capable of, kind of the same way that analog in aLttP wont show the real capabilities of an analog stick ( I personally think that the remote is even a bigger change and improvement that what the analog stick was in its time). I know that for you Im way overreacting but Im a Nintendo fanboy and particulary a Zelda fanboy, I tend to over-analyze things related to them 
Now Ill finish my bottle of wine, I hope these post was understandable (I shouldnt post drunk but its my birthday 
, I had that trust but I lost it with this anouncement T_T I cant believe in them. ...before this I couldnt point a single bad thing about Nintendo, I defended the water pack and the toon shading with my heart and soul, I also defended the first delay, although I was frustrated, I was also happy to wait more because Nintendo promised heaven an earth for this game and I had blind trust, but this features really made me go "WTF!" with them, I still cant believe this is real. Its simply the fact that they split the focus of the game between GC and Rev, the worst case, they are giving more focus to the Rev, the not-as-worse case, they are giving more focus to the GC, my ideal case: give all the damn focus to the GC! The game will be good most likely, but I would take any day extra dungeons, weapons or bosses than remote functionality. Wind Waker was a bold move, the kind of move that makes Nintendo so great. The game was incomplete, but it was a fantastic experience for me, it was timeless and absolutely charming, the game is simply unique. Twilight Princess is Nintendo getting coward, giving remote functionality, besides all my other complains, is Nintendo being coward regarding the rev. You cant even compare these two at all. The Revolution itself is really bold, which is why I think this "playing it safe" with TP remote functionality is so lame. They should trust their idea to sell! Not use Zelda to push it a little more. Going in circles again? You people are making it sound like TP was crucial for the Rev, which would be a terrible, terrible scenario for the future of the console, as has been said, like, a million times, now that I pointed out that, you will say, agreeing with me, again, that Zelda with rev controls wont make or break the revs launch, and we get back to the original point, that this funcionality then really isnt needed. When I said that the GC version will "suffer" because of the functionality, I mean that the standalone GC game, the one I care about, could be better if all the focus is on GC, which is obvious. Our disagreement comes into how much are we willing to accept this "sacrifice" for lack of a better word, I think is unacceptable because Nintendo promised it and got my hype up, some of you think is acceptable because it will get an incentive for people to jump onboard to the Rev and also think that this "sacrifice" wont be of consideration as opposed to what I think. I think it would be terrible if their effort on the rev controls is the same as the one put in a box art, and at the same, it would suck if they give them considerable time. The first case implies poor rev functionality, which would be make the press say the controller is just a gimm!ck, the second is the one that pisses me off personally, because as I said Ill rather have extra dungeons and sidequests than this remote functionality, if you were Nintendo what would you do? focus on the rev part of course, thats why Im expecting them to give the GC counterpart less importance, it makes sense for them. do they caare if the pissed off GC fans? not really. You people have way to much hope for the controller if you think than in a couple of weeks of development the device can do wonders for games, it mostlikely takes a lot of effort andtime to exploit the controller at its best, but the results this way are of course superior. oh god, I have to beat this dead horse once more... Jesus thats even worse! so we could have the game now but have to wait several months to get it just because they are adding the rev part? f!ck that, Ill rather have the game now without it. Its not just waiting, is waiting for something I dont want and something I wont be able to use. Its funny how people said in the past that Nintendo wasnt going to push TP as a launch title, that there was no reason for me to doubt about the implementation of the rev controls and that I was being pessimistic, that the GC version wouldnt be delayed because of the Rev version etc ,etc, etc, and here we are, the pessimistic predictions were true, Nintendo is pushing a last gen game as one of its mayor launch titles, and its not the best implementation it could have been made, and worst, GC owners have to wait anyway until the Wii's launch to get the game, because its a simultaneous release. As the broken record I am Ill say it again: The implemention is suffering because this is after all a GC game. My example was always analog stick into a Link to the Past, but Mario 64 DS is an even better example that has been brought up recently, I really dont think the remote itself and the hardware are bad, being too precise is of course better than not being precise, but they arent free to experiment further into the possibilities of the remote because the game is still linked to the GC version (and Im very happy about that). I really dont like this suggestion of Wii exclusive items, its already enough for the ones who want the GC version that we have to wait longer and are not going to get the graphical improvements, even if they are minor. I really would prefer they could spend working this 5-6 months polishing the GC version instead of tweaking some controls Im not going to use. I understand the reasons behind the decision of putting rev features, but they couldve also promote the standalone GC version as a launch title and promote the backwards compatibility at the same time, then the console wouldve had the best of both worlds, traditional and new games, thats the direction I would've liked. Afterall Aunoma said TP is for the hardcore Zelda fan, it makes no sense to put features so "anti-hardcore" so to speak, the audience of this game isnt going to be scared away by complex controls at all. uh oh... here we go again. The point of any game or console is to have fun, people sometimes forget that realism =/=fun. I think that without wii controls, the game could be ready by summer. If the GC version wasnt affected at all in dev time by the wii version (something I really doubt) we would have to wait anyway, because Nintendo will use the wii version as a launch title and it wouldnt be convienent for them to release the GC version sooner because it would steal hype from the wii version. This really sucks for the people who have been craving for this game for such a damn long time. For someone like me who never wanted or want to try the remote functionality (except maybe the fishing) is worst. urgh... why are they saying that its like two different games when Miyamoto said in an interview that they werent, that there wasnt two games but just one? or is another of Miyamoto's lies? I have never liked the idea of sword fighting with the gesture. We have this notion that its more intuitive, but the truth is that doing such realistic mapping of controls would make the battles really hard and boring (good bye spin attack or impossible but awesome jump attacks 
I just reread the thread and no one thinks this mirroring is a big deal by itself, is pretty much harmless, and thats what should worry any left-handed person, if its of such little importance, why do it in the first place? the concern here is what VGrevolution is saying, that theres is something in the game that makes necessary the flipping, and if such thing exist a left handed gamer is pretty much screwed if theres no option to flip the game back. My concern is more solidarity with my fellow southpaws that interest in how the wii version will turn out, because I was never interested in it, and with these recent news, Im even less interested. the real Zelda game...will dismiss any gimm!cky remote ideas except some very simple mechanic, since Nintendo realized long ago some games just don't need this tacked-in controls 
, it still looks like the version with better controls for me. Theres no recent impressions whatsover about the GC version, Nintendo is trying its hardest to kill it, so of course you aren't going to find any comments saying which version is superior. Not at least until december 11th, when the wii would have moved enough units of the game for Nintendo to not feel threaten by the GC version, I really can't wait for it, so that we have a real one-on-one comparison. Thats the point of disagreement, while some of you consider TP to be new, I and many others don't consider it really new at all. Phantom Hourglass is really new in my eyes, and even with all the bad impressions it has and my many dislikes for some of the decisions they have made regarding the gameplay Im more interested in how it will turn out than how TP will turn out, because PH is a 100% original concept, TP isnt, its an old game with a layout of remote minigames. Bah, I hope this isnt true, I would be terribly dissapointed at Nintendo (I mean, even more!) good developers don't change major controls schemes mere weeks before release, it gives more and more the impression that this are half-assed controls. I hate you You know, the usual complain of the remote is that it was going to be used to replace buttons for gestures, we can argue endlessly if this applies to red steel, mario galaxy, metroid prime 3 etc etc etc and never came to an agreement, but with the Zelda theres no argument, the proof is right there, the implementation is just replacing buttons for gestures, we know this because the GC version exists. Those would be weird lefties, because theres no way Im going to point with my right hand in games with aiming or other gameplay mechanics that require precision, Would you use the pointer in your left hand if your right hand was the one used to move the stick? if it was just waving the remote there would be no problem but games dont just make you wave the remote. One thing is for certain, is going to be more ackward for us no matter how we use the controller anyway (more reasons for me to wait and see with the console itself). I just don't like what Ive seen from the controls, is that so terribly hard to understand? why cant you just accept that what you might find great I find it just lame? I dont criticise your tastes, Ive never said you are wrong for liking the remote controls. Also, I don't exactly swim in money, here $50 is a considerable ammount, as well as the $250 price entry for the console which includes wiisports, another game I find lame. This whole package for me simply is not worth it. Now if you are so fixed on making all of us "infidels" "bad fans of the company" like the wii version to the point you wish the version we want gets cancelled (and theres certainly no reason whatsover for that mindset except I guess a grudge you have with us because we don't share your opinion), feel free to send me a wii and a copy of the game because you can be perfectly confident that I'll try it, but Im not going to expend $300 of my own to see if I might like it, specially because chances are I won't. Its not about just the controls, is about the game itself, something Ive been repeating to death since this fiasco was announced. This game started with the GC, so I naturally suspect that the implementation for the GC is superior, because the game's puzzles and combat are made with the GC controller in mind. The remote will make it more of a novelty and flashy thing, but wont affect the game itself at all. Im not going to get milked, thats for sure, and TP was moved to the Wii only for pure financial reasons, to give the console an extra push at launch, and that makes the wii version of less value for me, this functionality was tacked in towards the end of the development cycle of the game, and thats a cheap move honestly. Ill only miss the fishing, but no way in hell Im buying the wii version for just fishing. [Miyamoto] strikes me as ambidextrous, and as a business man who would prefer to cater to the majority obviously, which means I don't take into consideration what he has said about handedness in games, if he thinks a lefty would be ok he's insane, or just not an exclusive lefty. Theres absolutely no way I will be able to point with my right hand no matter the game, and theres no need for hands-on experience in that regard, because Ive been using laser pointers all my life, as well as lightguns. If you think its such a not big deal, switch hands and tell me how confortable would that be. little to no problem? thats simpy impossible, period. I know it would be ackward for sure, my real question is how much and how long will the adapting time be, I've already decided to try the stick with the right hand, which doesn't seem an uphill challenge but its also not something easy, Ive barely used it in Pikmin, so I don't know. The other option, of grabbing the controller the normal way is just not going to work for me. Also windyman never answered me if the mirroring was needless at the end, because with all these recent impressions and reviews it sure seems like it, I hope some review adress that. If I hold the remote lefty way, I have to use the stick in the right hand, which is hard for a gamer who is used to use it in his left hand all the time, if I hold it the righty way, I have to point with the right hand, which is very ackward, and for some of us, practically impossible. The first is the lesser of evils, but its not going to be perfectly intuitive right out of the box like everyone is saying. As much as people say that it doesn't matter which hand you use the remote for this game, Nintendo did mirror the whole game, its just contradicting, I don't understand why they did it anyway. And that interview is exactly the one who made me think he's ambidextrous, just by him saying that he was ok with holding the remote in his right hand, that doesnt sound to me like an exclusive lefty. Really which part of the controller is going to need your dominant hand more?, the nunchuck with its basic motion detection and stick or the remote which points and has a more precise motion detection method? I think its obvious. 
