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« on: February 04, 2016, 05:28:21 AM »
So, how is this story drugging or conversion? Why is it such a big deal?
I guess I'm just tired of how censors always read too much into a scene. It's never that a producer wants to tell an interesting story, its that they're promoting some deviant behavior and thus the scene must be taken out. People just can't take it for what it is, an interesting an fun story. Personally, I think this story is not an issue of conversion but rather teaches people to be open on the labels people attach themselves with.
The character is interested in another character and gives her a potion to make her see him as a man as a means to try to interact with her. (I am unclear if his 'original' intention was to woo her based on the spoilers I've seen).
In any case, I admit giving somebody something without their knowledge is a bit unethical and a bit fishy.
However, in this context I don't really see it as terrible thing, and I wouldn't call it an act of drugging or conversion really.
First, it happens in everyday life all the time. How many times have you bought your wife flowers or your girlfriend chocolate in order to influence their mood (okay a bit less shady). Is it just because its a 'magical potion'...some chemical reaction that we make such a big deal over it? That can't seriously be the whole issue here. Let's be serious, this is a lukewarm hallucinogen at best. It doesn't affect her emotional state. It doesn't inhibit her ability to make a rational decision. It ONLY affects her physical perception of people. All the realizations that happen to the character as a result of the potion are hers alone. At no time during her affected state does the male character take advantage of her so what's the big freaking deal. Chocolate produces chemical reactions as an aphrodisiac. Should we ban every boy from giving girls chocolate on Valentine's because it affects girls' emotional states and could therefore be considering drugging... or conversion(converting a girl to a singular love-interest over another)? About the only thing wrong with this scene is the context that people happen to take it too far and so loosely associate it serious drugs and the stories they hear from them. What I say to these people is this, get a grip on reality and learn to take a story for what it is. Perhaps we should outright ban Disney and Pixar. Poison apples...magic that makes a girl's mother turn into a bear so they can bond? Really, I don't see a difference. The only thing I can point out is who its happening too.
Oh, but the person is getting a potion that makes them see girls as boys. Seriously! Is this really a bad case of sexual conversion? If you argued to me that this person's only goal in life was to make a lesbian women straight and ditch her later I might agree with you. People never look at motives before they determine the intention behind a story. In any case, if your really trying to woo someone that's inaccessible I think its reasonable to assume that some might take some slightly unorthodox measures in hopes of creating an opportunity. How is this any different than if the person themselves decided to dress as a transvestite? Definitely not drugging potentially more creepy. If you like someone, your going to do weird thinks to get their attention. And that's all this potion really is. It buys the character a few more seconds in front of the girl so she can get the chance to know the real him. She still has to come to her own realizations and in no way did the potion directly affect her ability to reach those realizations. As long as there's no advantage taking of the person during their altered state and the act is completely confessed how we call this any more than an innocent attempt at creating an opportunity for someone he happened to like?
In any case, even if this character's goal was to woo her, its not as if his goal was to change her sexual orientation specifically. He just ended up creating opportunities for himself that he might not have otherwise had. This person just happens to be a guy and she just happens to be labeled a Lesbian. Congratulations, you have a 'Lesbian' girl(I hate labels) who happens to be interested in one guy in the entire universe. I really don't think we can call this conversion of her entire sexual preference because now she happens to like one guy in the universe. Throw out the labels, and its really a case of Person B realized he/she/it is more into A than he/she/it thought.
Here's a strange variation of the same exact story, an ugly toad an a princess meet. The ugly toad starts to like her but can't say anything because he's a toad and he's ugly...so she'll never approach him (basically the same idea as strapping on a Lesbian label). He decides to trick into her drink a magical potion to turn her into a toad for a few days so that they can talk and in the end the princess realizes she likes the toad regardless if he's ugly. (Forgive such a ludicrous analogy.) But does this story sound as creepy. Is this conversion? No! Now its about an innocent frog and a princess and we've completely removed the notion of labels on sexual orientation. It is simply one person creating for themself an opportunity they may have otherwise not had.
The fact that she's Lesbian in this particular story has nothing to do with the literal meaning. In the end it boils down to the simple paradigm."
"Person A likes person B. Person B has no initial interest in Person A. Person A tries to do something to create an opportunity for himself with Person B. Person B either rejects A still or realizes that she really can like person B and starts paying more attention to B.
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