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« Reply #150 on: May 17, 2014, 05:37:09 PM »
Khushrenada, your going out of your way to defend this site, and this review, and it isn't neccesary. I'm glad NWR gave all those other amazing Nintendo games the scores they deserved. They should have done the same to this amazing game. About Yoshis new Island getting a 6, well I wasn't here to argue that review, and it wasn't on the same scale as this one. A six is low, should have been a 7.5. And your sarcasm about the other games not selling consoles is inaccurate. All those games you mentioned did move consoles, just not as many as Nintendo would have wished for. You would be suprised at the amount of people who decide not to purchase a game becouse of a metacritic score. Any negative review on any game impacts the sales of said video game, even if it's by a miniscule amount.

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« Reply #151 on: May 17, 2014, 05:40:19 PM »
Unclebob, my apologies. You said to a lot of people it sucked.

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« Reply #152 on: May 17, 2014, 05:43:01 PM »
Unclebob, yes you did say it sucked. And I only own one copy of double dash.
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Bwahaha, I haven't seen so many cringeworthy review complaints since the equally stupid and embarrassing Pangya fiasco from back in my day

The fallout from the 10/10 Mario golf (or was it Tennis?  Pretty sure it was Golf) was worse.  I think Seanbaby did a saterical write up on it and the staffer who wrote that piece abandoned the site shortly after.

I don't remember the Talkback being that bad for Mario Tennis, but it's been ages, obviously. Both were Stan Ferguson, though, who continues to be a lovable curmudgeon over on Box Office Poison at Crosstawk. /plug

It was SomethingAwful who did the write-up on Mario Tennis, though - it was in their Worst Video Game Articles of 200X for that year. Stan absolutely adored that article, though - he's a big Something Awful fan and was just honored to be mentioned haha. As far as Pangya goes, though, he was already in the process of leaving NWR. It was just his last review.

Oh, also, to the other guy who replied, if you're here to talk review bits and ask for more information or constructively criticize actual details, then no, that doesn't make you a buffoon, and I'm not referring to you. But if your comment challenges the legitimacy and credibility of an opinion (which in and of itself is crazy) regarding an experience you've not yet HAD and therefore can't compare until you've gotten the game, then yeah, sure, here's your Buffoon Card. Especially if you're using other reviews  to support your stance.


EDIT: Oh, and I just read your comment about how Metacritic scores affect game sales. Good lord, please reevaluate your thought process. It's not NWR's responsibility to help sell Nintendo's games, and it shouldn't be yours, either.
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« Reply #153 on: May 17, 2014, 05:49:41 PM »
Unclebob, my apologies. You said to a lot of people it sucked.
You're learning, youngling.  Read what is written instead of what you think is written.

I've played DD with a lot of folks in my time (having multiple GameCubes and wanting to play multi-player to justify them will do that to you)... trust me when I say - the learning curve behind Double Dash is a tough one for lots of folks to get used to.  They'd rather play 4-player '64 than 8/16 player Double Dash.
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« Reply #154 on: May 17, 2014, 05:57:20 PM »
Racht, where do you get the idea that a five is an average score? Name me one game that was given a five out of ten and considered average. A 7.5 is a horrible score, and it WILL impact sales. Believe it or not. I hate when people think that these type of reviews dont have consequences or impacts on a games sales. These reviews are more than just an opinion. And get over myself? what does that even mean?

And broodwars, I meant timeing as in the position that nintendo is currently in with thier Wii U, and that a bad review of such an anticipated game is, well, bad timing! And underwhelming is your opinion, as I believe it to be the best Mario Kart yet.




If you are going by college grades then yes a 75 is above average it would equate to a C+, not good not bad. On a scale of 1 to 5 a 7.5 is a 3.5 which is generally considered good but not bad, the review made it clear the game is just more Mario Kart, then explained what is good about the game, mostly the graphics and the new gravity mode, then mentioned the disappointing single player mode.



I haven't seen a single video nor have I played the demo so I can't say if the game is good or not, I haven't even played it. I find it stupid that someone who hasn't even played the game can just assume it will be the best game ever. Also nobody ever decides to buy a game or not buy a game based on Metacritic, seriously that is a really lame accusation.


Getting back to the actual review, I will say that being someone who, seriously read my posts, has been on the fence about the Wii U has been waiting for more games to make the machine worth investing in. This game was not on my radar, other than as a potential buy down the road if or when I do eventually get the system. This review has not changed my mind in the slightest despite how much I respect the site. I also find it hard to believe anyone is going to read IGN and say yes they gave it a 9 out of ten good now I can buy the game in confidence, oops wait Nintendo World Report gave it a 7.5 sorry Nintendo I have to cancel my Pre-order? That sounds like the mind of a child who is no where near mature enough to handle that people have different opinions.
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« Reply #155 on: May 17, 2014, 06:00:24 PM »
Unclebob, my apologies. You said to a lot of people it sucked.
You're learning, youngling.  Read what is written instead of what you think is written.

I've played DD with a lot of folks in my time (having multiple GameCubes and wanting to play multi-player to justify them will do that to you)... trust me when I say - the learning curve behind Double Dash is a tough one for lots of folks to get used to.  They'd rather play 4-player '64 than 8/16 player Double Dash.


I can see that, my friends all had Game Cubes, we used to have Mario Party and Melee allnighters, but when someone mentioned Mario Kart we would just dig out the old N64 as nobody wanted to play Double Dash, we tried it a few times and most people preferred the N64 one. In fact that is why THIS Mario Kart is not on my radar, because DD, to me, sucked, so I skipped 7 and have no interest in 8, yet. No review is going to change my mind, ever, I will decide if or when I get around to playing the game, as someone with intelligence should do. But don't take my word for it, I have been painted as a Nintendo hater by some.
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« Reply #156 on: May 17, 2014, 06:07:20 PM »
NWR Karl, Maybe you should reevaluate your responces, cause I never said it was NWR's responsibility to sale nintendo games. I just said it's a bad review, and a game review can be a deciding factor for some people purchasing a new game. You know, I'll never understand why so many people will defend a bad review just out of forum loyalty. A bad review is a bad review, and your doing the site a disservice by letting it slide.

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« Reply #157 on: May 17, 2014, 06:15:06 PM »
NWR Karl, Maybe you should reevaluate your responces, cause I never said it was NWR's responsibility to sale nintendo games. I just said it's a bad review, and a game review can be a deciding factor for some people purchasing a new game. You know, I'll never understand why so many people will defend a bad review just out of forum loyalty. A bad review is a bad review, and your doing the site a disservice by letting it slide.


Why is it a bad review? Start by answering that question.
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« Reply #158 on: May 17, 2014, 06:22:49 PM »
Unclebob, I apologised becouse I was incorrect, and I admit my mistakes. There is no need to get snotty about it. And "youngling"? lol. I'm sure i'm much older than you.

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« Reply #159 on: May 17, 2014, 06:30:13 PM »
Personally, I find the view of someone who's grown tired of the series rather invaluable to me, as that's the position I'm coming from. So if someone writes a review, says they've grown tired of the series but turns out to love it, they have my attention and I'm more inclined to look into the game.
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« Reply #160 on: May 17, 2014, 06:35:38 PM »
NWR Karl, Maybe you should reevaluate your responces, cause I never said it was NWR's responsibility to sale nintendo games. I just said it's a bad review, and a game review can be a deciding factor for some people purchasing a new game. You know, I'll never understand why so many people will defend a bad review just out of forum loyalty. A bad review is a bad review, and your doing the site a disservice by letting it slide.

Well, it's not a bad review, but that's kind of beside the point.

You're more than welcome to discuss a review's points and seek clarification or explanation in regards to details. You're more than welcome to ask for a reviewer to back up his points with more information. All of this, provided it's done in a constructive way, is welcomed and encouraged.

But the minute you bring up Metacritic, I'm sorry, but the amount of credence I give your argument plummets. At that point, I'm not even defending Neal. I'm defending reasonable discourse. You've set about a crusade, a Holy War, against your bad judgement and cognitive dissonance. Young men will go to war and their young wives will mourn their loss as they raise young children alone. I hope you're satisfied with the horror you've wrought.
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« Reply #161 on: May 17, 2014, 06:41:00 PM »
broodwars, I agree. However someone who has grown tired of a series can't really give a fair and accurate review of a game from that series. Honestly I have grown tired of commenting about this review. I think I've made my point.

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« Reply #162 on: May 17, 2014, 06:46:58 PM »
However someone who has grown tired of a series can't really give a fair and accurate review of a game from that series.

I'm basically tired of the series because of Mario Kart 8, though. I've really enjoyed nearly every other Mario Kart game. This was the one that made me truly grow tired of it. So, I think I gave it a fair and accurate review. Sorry if you disagree.
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« Reply #163 on: May 17, 2014, 06:49:13 PM »
Unclebob, I apologised becouse I was incorrect, and I admit my mistakes. There is no need to get snotty about it. And "youngling"? lol. I'm sure i'm much older than you.

First, I do deserve to get snotty about it.  You put words in my mouth and even stuck by it when I first said something.  It wasn't until I hand-held you into going back and re-reading what I actually said that you admitted you were wrong.

Second - I could be wrong (it doesn't happen often though) - but I'd guess that you're younger than me.  Heck, I'd guess that I own video game hardware older than you.
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« Reply #164 on: May 17, 2014, 06:51:29 PM »
broodwars, I agree. However someone who has grown tired of a series can't really give a fair and accurate review of a game from that series. Honestly I have grown tired of commenting about this review. I think I've made my point.

On the contrary, I think someone who's done nothing but gush about a series in the past would have a much more difficult time putting forth a "fair and accurate" review of a game in that same series. Likewise, I'm far less inclined to believe the review wouldn't unintentionally gloss over major flaws in the game. I may disagree with how eager the internet has been in general to gush over this game because it's Mario Kart & because it's pretty (despite how lazy just about every review admits the SP continues to be and how awful the MP apparently now is), I have no reason to believe either of these reviewers are overlooking the good or the bad in the game.

On a side note, I think it was a mistake to pull the original video review simply because the commenters on Youtube were too stupid to go read the written reviews for more information.  It comes off like you were intimidated by Youtube and rushed to change your product to appease them, though I know that wasn't your intent. I find video reviews that merely read the written review utterly boring.  Ideally, the video should complement the words, which rarely happens in that style of video review.
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« Reply #165 on: May 17, 2014, 06:54:50 PM »
NWR Karl, lol. I think you have put too much infosys on metacritic. Even more so than I. I've mentioned it, yes, but it's not the motive behind my rant. Maybe I haven't been able to fully articulate my thoughts about this review, other than to say it's bad. But I assure you it's not becouse the 7.5 dropped metacritics score.

NWR Neal, well thats really suprising. How can you like the Mario Kart series but not this one? It just blows my mind, thats all. I'm sorry I can't agree with you about giving it a fair and accurate review, but I will agree to disagree. Sorry for the inconvience, my rant is over.

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« Reply #166 on: May 17, 2014, 07:00:20 PM »
Uncle bob, no your wrong. You don't deserve to get snotty about it. You accept someones apology and you move on. You are not older than me by your maturity from the looks of it. And I'm sure I own ten consoles older than you, not that it matters though.

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« Reply #167 on: May 17, 2014, 07:05:27 PM »
emphasis' lol

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« Reply #168 on: May 17, 2014, 07:06:33 PM »
Uncle Bob is older than I am and I am in my 30's so take that kid.
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« Reply #169 on: May 17, 2014, 07:09:34 PM »
NWR Karl, lol. I think you have put too much infosys on metacritic. Even more so than I. I've mentioned it, yes, but it's not the motive behind my rant. Maybe I haven't been able to fully articulate my thoughts about this review, other than to say it's bad. But I assure you it's not becouse the 7.5 dropped metacritics score.

NWR Neal, well thats really suprising. How can you like the Mario Kart series but not this one? It just blows my mind, thats all. I'm sorry I can't agree with you about giving it a fair and accurate review, but I will agree to disagree. Sorry for the inconvience, my rant is over.


You said it was a bad review, I asked why it was a bad review and your still dodging that by going in circles about who you respect and don't respect as a reviewer.
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« Reply #170 on: May 17, 2014, 07:10:07 PM »
NWR Neal, well thats really suprising. How can you like the Mario Kart series but not this one?

Going back to that whole "reading what was written" thing... Neal *never* said he didn't like the game.
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« Reply #171 on: May 17, 2014, 07:14:41 PM »
NWR Neal, well thats really suprising. How can you like the Mario Kart series but not this one?

Going back to that whole "reading what was written" thing... Neal *never* said he didn't like the game.

This is true. I think I said, in my fair & accurate review, something almost exactly contradictory to what you're assuming. Here it is: "I like playing Mario Kart 8. I think it’s a satisfactory entry in the series, but nothing more."
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« Reply #172 on: May 17, 2014, 07:24:53 PM »
LMAO. What a bunch of cry babies. Attack of the loyal forumers. You guys don't care what I say, your just defending Neal. He's the one taking critisism, and he's the only one who's being mature and respectful. And Marval, geez man. Your a dope.

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« Reply #173 on: May 17, 2014, 07:27:23 PM »
LMAO. What a bunch of cry babies. Attack of the loyal forumers. You guys don't care what I say, your just defending Neal. He's the one taking critisism, and he's the only one who's being mature and respectful. And Marval, geez man. Your a dope.


because I asked you WHY you say it is a bad review, answer that and I will leave you alone.
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« Reply #174 on: May 17, 2014, 07:41:13 PM »
also check my post history, or check the forum posts in general, nobody here is defending the forums or the site. Most people just want reasonable discussions, if you feel a certain way you should be able to articulate why you feel that way, I have done so, most of us have too, you just keep going all over the place and now are resorting to personal attacks.


I will clarify my position for you, then as a reasonable adult engaging in an intelligent discussion you follow up by doing the same, and we won't have any problems.


The reason I choose to read this site is because many of the writers are like me, long time life long Nintendo fans who can see that currently Nintendo is in a slump and many people are getting tired of the same old-same old, the Nintendo we grew up on was not like the Nintendo out there now. They still make great games nobody denies that, but that does not mean their games are as good as ever, or that every game they make is magically great too.

I don't like just Nintendo games so the few games that Nintendo does make that still interest me personally usually have to be pretty damn good. I can be lenient if say Sony makes a less than perfect game because they more than make up for it with other services and features and get full on third party support, value added reasons to buy their machine. With Nintendo I hold them to a higher standard, understandably so because they frigging created the standards all games are measured by, they are the standard that other companies are trying to live up to. Inevietably that means when they do something less than perfect, being a company known for being anal perfectionists, means that is going to get some attention.


I haven't played this Mario kart game but I have played enough to know that for me, having already been burned out, in order to get interested this would have to be one hell of a Mario Kart game, according to the reviews it is just another Mario Kart game so I know what to expect from it, nothing mind blowingly awesome that makes me think this is the Mario Kart to get me back into Mario Kart. I won't base my entire judgement on a single review alone, or any review at all this is the only one I read because as I stated I mostly read this site.


AS for why I read this site, to be clear, other fan sites are infested with what I call cheerleaders, people who just assume everything Nintendo does is magic and anyone who says otherwise is a hater. As someone who is not a hater I tend to take offense to being treated like **** because I might come out with a dissenting opinion, also ask around I am one of the least popular guys here so I don't think I can be accused of defending the forums either, but I can respect where they are coming from, a similar perspective as myself. Not like some other sites who just stay in a bubble where Nintendo never makes any mistakes ever. I dislike those sites, and the fans who flock to them, because it just gets boring hearing endless praises.

 This is the talk back forum, which means it is reply only, so if someone, as I did, says something hastily they can not edit their post, as they often would otherwise, so I had to leave my comment there for you to see when I would have just hit edit and said something else instead.


I can tell you I am not defending Neal's review, or the reviewer himself, all I am saying is it is his fucking opinion, he has played the fucking game, YOU have not so YOU can not say it is a good game or not, and nobody is going to not buy the game based on the review of a fringe site that nobody is reading about a game on a console nobody is buying. Obviously I am over exaggerating the nobody but you can get the point, this is a friggin niche site covering a niche product that is by all accounts failing to meet expectations.
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