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E3 eShop Demos Will Always Be Unlikely

by Neal Ronaghan - May 29, 2013, 2:29 pm EDT
Total comments: 25

So the Best Buy stuff might be limited, but it's something that can actually happen, unlike E3 demos on the eShop.

With the fewer than 10% of Best Buy locations offering Nintendo’s E3 experience and other maladies about the roll-out, it seems like we are returning to a concept that fans of Nintendo dream of: E3 demos available off of the eShop during E3.

I have long been in the camp of thinking that that would never happen, chiefly because, well, E3 demos break, and showing off a game that would break would reflect poorly on the game to the public. We all remember how wireless interference botched Shigeru Miyamoto playing an early Skyward Sword demo at E3 2010, and countless other memes have spawned out of games acting weird. Also, since the demo would be on the eShop, it would exist forever, even with Nintendo’s restriction of the amount of times a demo can be played.

Through the E3s, New York Comic-Cons, and other events I’ve attended, I’ve seen systems crash and games freeze quite often. It’s something you accept during these events, and because a representative from the company is always there, it’s usually nothing more than a short delay as they reboot. Naturally if it’s rampant and the game is close to release, you worry, but oftentimes these demos at events are from earlier builds, meaning that the issues crashing the game might have already been fixed.

After the reactions to the limited Best Buy E3 showing, I asked Renegade Kid’s Jools Watsham, who released an eShop demo for Mutant Mudds after the game was released, about the subject. “(Demos) are held to the same testing and standards as final games - so it can result in some fails before a demo is ready for the eShop,” he told me. Meaning, that these E3 eShop demos we crave would take away more time from development as the standards for an eShop demo are higher than the standards for an E3 demo. At least pre-release eShop demos are made at the end of the development.

Yes, it’d be great if more than 100 Best Buy locations participated in Nintendo’s E3 showing, and it’d be wonderful if those games were playable for more than eight hours over two days. But the answer isn’t to throw the demos on the eShop, the answer is get more Best Buys (or other retailers) to show off the games and let them be up there for more time.

Talkback

SorenMay 29, 2013

I don't get it. Are the Best Buy demos going to be any less broken? Are there going to be Nintendo reps to hold the gamers hand while they play them? If the demos get backlash for being broken or crashing, it won't matter if they're in 100 locations or 1 million. The backlash will be the same. Put them on the eShop.

TJ SpykeMay 29, 2013

Quote from: Soren

I don't get it. Are the Best Buy demos going to be any less broken? Are there going to be Nintendo reps to hold the gamers hand while they play them? If the demos get backlash for being broken or crashing, it won't matter if they're in 100 locations or 1 million. The backlash will be the same. Put them on the eShop.

Being at Best Buy for only 8 hours over 2 days sounds like Nintendo will have people there to help out. And the backlash would not be the same, putting it on the eShop would cause a far bigger backlash if the demo crashes compared to at Best Buy when there will likely be somewhere there.

SorenMay 29, 2013

Quote from: TJ

Quote from: Soren

I don't get it. Are the Best Buy demos going to be any less broken? Are there going to be Nintendo reps to hold the gamers hand while they play them? If the demos get backlash for being broken or crashing, it won't matter if they're in 100 locations or 1 million. The backlash will be the same. Put them on the eShop.

Being at Best Buy for only 8 hours over 2 days sounds like Nintendo will have people there to help out. And the backlash would not be the same, putting it on the eShop would cause a far bigger backlash if the demo crashes compared to at Best Buy when there will likely be somewhere there.

But it's not the gaming press that will be playing these games, it's us. And while we here in this forum understand how these e3 demos are not finished works, there will be regular joes who will still see the game possibly crash, get an explanation from a rep, yet still take his negative backlash to the internet. My point remains the same, if the demos aren't ready for regular consumption, don't offer them to us. Bit if you're going to do it, then be more inclusive than this.

CericMay 29, 2013

But not as much as if it crashed or hard-locked their own Wii U.  People are much more forgiving at a sneak peak event then something on their home device.

Very weird when I see people get mad at this "not-being-on-the-eShop" business (haven't read any of the thread comments, but this has been all over the internet since this was originally unveiled). Is Best Buy not enough for people? Is anyone unsatisfied that they arent putting E3 in the living room immediately despite nothing like this ever happening before? Anyone complaining should just be grateful that they dont have to drop a bunch of money and wait in a comparatively huge line to play this shit. I'm the opposite of Nintendo apologist and this shit just seems bananas to me.

broodwarsMay 29, 2013

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Very weird when I see people get mad at this "not-being-on-the-eShop" business (haven't read any of the thread comments, but this has been all over the internet since this was originally unveiled). Is Best Buy not enough for people? Is anyone unsatisfied that they arent putting E3 in the living room immediately despite nothing like this ever happening before? Anyone complaining should just be grateful that they dont have to drop a bunch of money and wait in a comparatively huge line to play this ****. I'm the opposite of Nintendo apologist and this **** just seems bananas to me.

This is what happens when Nintendo sets expectations: they always ensure they will never meet them. The problem is that we've gotten used to Nintendo being close-minded & not letting anyone except their puppets in the general gaming media play their E3 demos. However, in the last Nintendo direct, Nintendo announced that the public would finally get a chance to have a piece of that E3 experience. Now that we know that Nintendo's ****ed that up and is ensuring that an extremely small number of people will ever play those demos, people are pissed. They could have and would have played those demos, but Nintendo has now made that pretty much impossible. And as I said in the other E3 Demo thread: "if people can't play your demos and your demos are barely even available at the few locations that will have them, what's the ****ing point of making a big deal about this?"

Either make the demos widely available at retail (because the internet apparently doesn't exist), make them widely available in the eShop, or don't bother putting them out at all because it doesn't help you.

Nintendo needs to get people playing their Wii U demos and get them caring about the console again, because they sure as **** don't right now. And their response to that is...to ensure that very few people play and get excited about Wii U games. GENIUS!!!

SeacorMay 29, 2013

Quote:

...E3 demos break, and showing off a game that would break would reflect poorly on the game to the public

It doesn't really matter. They just need to add a disclaimer that issues mat be encountered.  Besides, there are plenty of released software titles that are ridden with bugs. Unfortunately, I am starting to get used to broken software.

Need for speed most wanted u (frequent hard locks)
Zen pinball 2 (leaderboards currently screwed up)
Netflix (frequent hard locks at startup)
Runner 2 (Hard locks finally fixed with patch)

pokepal148Spencer Johnson, Contributing WriterMay 29, 2013

what if one of the demos actually bricks your system? i dont think a disclaimer can cover that...

800-255-3700

azekeMay 29, 2013

They clearly shouldn't have even bothered to do this.

The horrible backlash on forums is an irreparable taint and a major PR failure. Nintendo will never recover from this horrible, atrocious affair of providing some demos to some locations.

They obviously should have provided no demos to no one, it's all very clear now.

Thanks, Iwata

broodwarsMay 29, 2013

Quote from: azeke

They clearly shouldn't have even bothered to do this.

The horrible backlash on forums is an irreparable taint and a major PR failure. Nintendo will never recover from this horrible, atrocious affair of providing some demos to some locations.

They obviously should have provided no demos to no one, it's all very clear now.

Thanks, Iwata

You joke, but Nintendo has done nothing but screw up when it comes to the Wii U since years before the system even launched. They're already generally regarded in the general gaming community as an afterthought at best, so they can't afford to keep screwing up with the Wii U. All these little mistakes add up over time.

readyletsgoMay 30, 2013

It would be great here in Europe if Ninty did put the demos up on the eshops during the E3 show but I understand why they are not, not finished products and reviewers can be very harsh,, but you know Nintendo would only put up their own demos for these news games on the eshop if they are not broken, at all.

But sure, I dont mind, best part of E3 is watching the demos being played and reading up on them, and also KNOWING these are not the finished product at the same time. I guess the general American person (since its only in America  ::) ) going into a Best Buy will not even think of that when giving the demos a go even if a Nintendo rep is there to tell them that over and over again.


Ah god, cant wait, ROLL ON E3!!!!

yoshi1001May 30, 2013

I'd be wary of using forum opinion as a barometer of public reaction-at this stage, the people most likely (but not the only ones) to complain are those unable to make it to one of the stores. Most of those planning to visit are withholding judgement until they go.

StrikerObiMike Sklens, Podcast EditorMay 30, 2013

Neal's spot on with his blog, except that Nintendo could easily put date-limits on the demos to have them expire after E3 ends (or they could just set the number of plays to like 5 or 10).


I feel like this is a botched communication job. They go out and tell the entire nation that you can go to Best Buy and play the demos, but then they only put the demos in 8% of Best Buy stores. They're not throwing enough money at this promotion, plain and simple. They should have allocated more funds to get their representatives out to more stores. Expectations were set and then not met.

Ian SaneMay 30, 2013

This is like if your boss says that you're getting a bonus and then your bonus ends up being only a few bucks.  "We're taking E3 to the public!" just carries with it certain expectations and while what we're getting is better than nothing the way the idea was first presented got our hopes up.  This is better than no demos but it is not better than the natural assumption we all made when they announced it.  I figured they were just going to ship discs to every Best Buy for play during E3.  I did not think about the possibility of needing a controlled environment.  But I don't think my assumption was unrealistic or unexpected.  It's an inadvertent bait-and-switch, kind of like the infamous Wind Waker Zelda footage.

It does not help that Nintendo has always had their heads up their ass regarding demos.  Any slight hint at moderately competent demo distribution will get us excited and bother us that much more when it turns out to be botched.  Demos are already a sensitive topic with Nintendo fans.

AdrockMay 30, 2013

Nintendo: We'll have E3 demos at some Best Buy stores across the United States and Canada.
Ian Sane: Awesome eshop demos!
Nintendo: Wait, what? No, we didn't say that. And you don't have a Wii U so this doesn't affect you anywa...
Ian Sane: BAIT AND SWITCH! AND NONE FOR GRETCHEN WEINERS! BYE!

Ian SaneMay 30, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

Nintendo: We'll have E3 demos at some Best Buy stores across the United States and Canada.
Ian Sane: Awesome eshop demos!
Nintendo: Wait, what? No, we didn't say that. And you don't have a Wii U so this doesn't affect you anywa...
Ian Sane: BAIT AND SWITCH! AND NONE FOR GRETCHEN WEINERS! BYE!

Huh?  When did I ever assume eshop demos?  I thought they would be a good idea, even if I couldn't use them, but I never assumed they were coming.

AdrockMay 30, 2013

This topic is about E3 eshop demos always being unlikely. I'm lumping everyone who's upset these demos aren't at every Best Buy or on the eshop together because they're equally ridiculous.

In any case, complaining about these demos not being at every Best Buy or on the eshop is silliness. If you made the assumption, you're responsible for being let down. I don't understand how this is a bait and switch. Nintendo said these demos would be at 100 stores across the United States and Canada. They didn't bait you with anything. They couldn't have been more blatant.

broodwarsMay 30, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

This topic is about E3 eshop demos always being unlikely. I'm lumping everyone who's upset these demos aren't at every Best Buy or on the eshop together because they're equally ridiculous.

In any case, complaining about these demos not being at every Best Buy or on the eshop is silliness. If you made the assumption, you're responsible for being let down. I don't understand how this is a bait and switch. Nintendo said these demos would be at 100 stores across the United States and Canada. They didn't bait you with anything. They couldn't have been more blatant.

I don't think anyone's calling this a bait and switch, but I'm calling it completely pointless and a waste of time and resources. This initiative's supposed to get people interested in the Wii U, and yet Nintendo's handling this in a way that assures them an extremely small number of people will even see it.  They had a pretty cool idea that might have given them good PR, and they blew it. Typical Nintendo.

AdrockMay 30, 2013

Quote from: broodwars

I don't think anyone's calling this a bait and switch

Quote from: Ian

It's an inadvertent bait-and-switch

Seriously, brood...

broodwarsMay 30, 2013

Quote from: Adrock

Quote from: broodwars

I don't think anyone's calling this a bait and switch

Quote from: Ian

It's an inadvertent bait-and-switch

Seriously, brood...

Look, the guy writes 5 million words a day. Do you really expect me to read all of them?  ;)

yoshi1001May 30, 2013

The other thing they might be doing is contacting local media to see if they get someone to drop by for a brief story.  That's one benefit of having the trained representative there.

I know people will rage about this being somehow worse than nothing, but hey! this is sure as hell better than nothing! I'll reserve total damnation regarding the low amount of stores when I see what the actual setup is like at a Best Buy. If it's just a Best Buy employee and one Wii U, it's ridiculous. If it's a whole crazy setup with several systems and a Nintendo rep or two, I can understand the small amount to a degree.

azekeMay 31, 2013

Quote from: NWR_Neal

I know people will rage about this being somehow worse than nothing, but hey! this is sure as hell better than nothing!

No, it's not.

Someone is getting stuff i don't.

Feels bad, man.

Boo.

I demand Iwata's head!

The Andross/Kawashima head from Nintendo Direct? I want that one, too!

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